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to which he had alluded in opening the for a valuable consideration; and thereways and means for the year; and he fore praying, that they may be beard, by trusted the house would agree in the pro- their counsel, against the said bill passing priety of adopting it. Upon all due cou-l into a law.' Ordered, that the said petisideration of the subject, it appeared, that tion do lie upon the table until the said brandies would bear an addition of 28, 6d. bill be read a second time; and that the per gallon on all brandies imported for petitioners be then heard, by their counsel, home consumption, and of 18, per gallon against the said bill, upon their petition, on brandies imported for re-exportation. if they think fit.—Mr. Patteson seeing the The noble lord moved the following reso- right hon. secretary to the treasury in bis lutions : “ That a bounty of ten shillings place, wished to ask, whether it was the inper cwt. be allowed on the exportation of tention of government to continue, or make all double-refined sugar, over and above any alteration in, the duties imposed on the allowances now made on the exporta- Malt last session, which would expire on tion of retined sugars. That a bounty of the 25th of next month? Mr. Vansittart two shillings per cwt. be allowed on the informed the hon. member, that the subexportation of all raw and muscovado su- ject had occupied the earnest aitention of gars, under the price of forty shillings per the Treasury, and that it would shortly be cwt.; and of one shilling per cwt. on all his duty to bring the question under the raw and muscovado sugars, of between consideration of the house.--Mr Vansitforty and forty-five shillings percwt.; when tart presented to the house, pursuant to ever it shall appear by the notices in the their orders, 1.“ A return of the number London Gazette that the average prices for of men wanting to complete the establishthe antecedent quarter have been of the re- 'ment of the regular army on the 1st Januaspective amounts stated. That an additional ary 1805, 1806, and 1807, distinguishing duty of two shillings and sixpence per gal- ' the British from the foreigu troops, and lon shall be imposed on brandy or foreign the cavalry from the infantry. 2. A return spirits, imported for home consumption : of the number of persons employed on the and of one shilling per gallon ou all bran- ' Ist January 1807, to levy men for the dies imported for the purpose of re-ex- army under the orders of the 27th Octoportation.” The resolutions were agreed ber 1806, distinguishing whether on half to, and the report was ordered to be re- pay, retired from the army, or pot having ceived to-morrow.
' at any time held a commission therein; specifying the number of men raised in
each month by such persons: 3. A return HOUSE OF COMMONS.
of the number of casualties by deaths, disWednesday, February 18.
charges, and desertions, which have taken [MINUTES.) A new writ was ordered
place in the regular army, from the 1st for the county of Armagh, in the room of January 1805 to the 1st January 1807, viscount Acheson, now earl of Gosford. distinguishing each year; also specifying Sir Charles Price presented a petition from the dates to which the casualties have the governor and company of merchants
been reported from the several foreign trading to the South Seas and other parts stations; 4. A return of the number of of America and for encouraging the Fishery, desertions which have taken place in the
taking notice of the bill for repealing so army at home during the years 1805 and • much of an act, made in the ninth year of 1806, distinguishing each month, and spe• queen Anne, as vests in the South Sea
cifying the number of men in each month Company, or Corporation, by the said act • out of which such desertions have taken erected, the sole and exclusive privilege place; 5. A return of the number of out • of carrying on trade and traffick to and pensioners on the establishment of Chelsea « from any part whatsoever of South Ame- Hospitals
, distinguished into their respec« rica, or in the South Seas, which now are, tive classes as to amount of pension, as « or may at any time hereafter be, in the estimated at Christmas 1806: 6. A re. . possession of his majesty, bis heirs, or • turn of the number of men for whom « successors; and setting forth, that, if the bounty has been charged, as enlisted at • same shonld pass into a law, it will totally the head quarters of the several regi
deprive the petitioners of their charteredments serving in Great Britain, from the « rights and privileges, which they obtained 25th of September to the 24th of Decem
• ber 18116 inclusive, so far as the Accounts guineas a year were paid for a piece of • have been received.'
land, at a considerable distance for that [BARRACK ABUSES.] Mr. Robson, par purpose. The stories of the building were suant to notice, rose to move for certain but tive feet high, and extremely inconvepapers relative to abuses in the barrack nient, and there were no drains to carry off department. As the papers he had to move the water. He was sure, when he stated for were precisely the same as those which these circumstances, that the house would had been ordered last session, but which, in not think him too anxious in pressing the consequence of the dissolution of parlia- inquiry. In bringing the question forward, ment, could not be regularly returned to he did not mean to impute blame to any the present parliament, he did not appre- man; the evil originated in a bad system, hend any objection to his motion. But as from which it liad grown up to its present it had appeared to some of his friends that extent, and his majesty's ministers might he was too anxious in prosecuting the in- not yet have bad time to take the necessary quiry into this subjeet, he should make one measures for preventing the state of the or two observations in answer to such opi- barracks from being a reproach to the nions. Four years had elapsed since he country. He knew not whether the barhad first recommended and pressed an in- rack lie had adverted to was rented or bad quiry into the expenditure department, and been purchased, but his motion would since that period six millions had been reach that fact. It was unnecessary for granted for that service in Great Britain, bin to state to the house the utility of ecoand two millions for Ireland. If his sug: nomy. He understood that the barrack gestions had been acted upon, there would department in Ireland was in as bad a have been a saving of two millions eflected state as in Great Britain, and he was the for the public, out of the sums paid for the more alarmed at this, because he looked at hire of buildings, the repairs of buildings, the expenditure of that country in the and the rent of temporary barracks. In the gross, which was now nearly equal to the Second Report of Military Inquiry there charge for Great Britain, and could not appeared a case which he should refer to but reflect, that fifteen-seventeenths of in support of this assertion. It was there whatever sums should be expended for stated, that a Mr. Page, who became bar- barracks in Ireland, would be to be derack-master at Winchester, in 1801, leaguing frayed by this country. The honourable with a Mr. Green, a lawyer, bought a house gentleman concluded by moving, “ That which had been before rented as a barrack, there be laid before this house a retum of for 631. per annum, but which was not all the buildings of every description, rented worth more than 301. afier which the go- or hired by government; and used as barvernment had been charged 1631. The racks or places for lodying, or containing whole sum that had been paid for this bar- officers or soldiers of the army, or of perrack, since the year 1794, amounted to sons or lorses attached to the army; that 17001. though according to the usual allow the said return do embrace every building ance of officers, only 331. 10s. ought to have which has so been rented, or hired, and so been paid for it, as it did not appear that the user, in the whole of Great Britain and barrack had been occupied by officers for Ireland, between the 1st day of January, more than one year of the whole term. This 1793, and the 1st day of January, 1807: certainly called for inquiry. He begged also that the said return be exhibited in fifteen to call the attention of the house to the case columns, placed in the order and containof a barrack called the Queen's Barracks, ing the several beads here following, viz. near Weymouth, which he had visited in the 1st. the date of the year and of the month middle of Sept. This barrack contained and day when each building respectively 700 and sometimes 800 men, and though so was taken; 2d, the county and parish in great expence was incurred, the accommo- which the building is situate; 3d, the name dations for the officers and men were ex- or phrase describing the boilding; 4th, the tremely bad. The building was in a low number of officers that are, or have been situation, in a narrow street, near a public generally quartered or lodged in the brewhouse, without any convenience of building; 5th, the number of non-comwater, but from a pump, which was at a missioned officers and men, and of horses, distance, and often dry, without any place that are or have been generally quarfor exercising the troops, so that sixty tered or lodged in the building; Oth,
the name of the proprietor of the building; | Ireland, from an experience of ten years. 7th, the name and rank of the officer or But he agreed with the hon. gentleman person by whom the building was taken on that it would be desirable to avoid, as much the part of government; 8th, the weekly as possible, the use of temporary barracks. rent or hire of the building; 9th, the year. But when it was found necessary to march ly rent or hire of the building; 10th, the a body of troops to a particular point, name and rank of the officer or person, or where there were no accommodations, it officers or persons, through whose hands was necessary to hire buildings at any rent the rent, or bire, bas been paid to the pro- that should be demanded. , The barrackprietor of the building; 11th, the time master-general in Ireland felt the propriety when any alteration (if any) in the rent or of putting the barracks of that country on hire of the building was made; 12th, the the same footing as in this, and attended weekly rent or bire of the building, subse particularly to the economy of expenditure quent to such alteration; 13th, the yearly in his department. rent or hire of the building, subsequent to Mr. Robson, in reply, said, that he was such alteration; 14th, the time when the persuaded if the noble lord would take the building was given up, if not now occupied trouble to read the motion at length, he by government; 15th, the account of the would then see whether or not such an acwhole of the sums which have been ex- count already existed in any public office, pended in repairs upon the building; and and if it could not be produced in a day or the said returns do exbibit all the names two, he should still insist that the house and descriptions of the said buildings, fol. ought not to separate till his motion was lowing one another in due chronological consented to. Such a document ought to order, the building first taken by govern- be ready by this time, considering the length ment standing first, and the building last of the notice given upon the subject. taken, standing last.”
There were no less than 591 established Lord Howick said, he felt no inclination clerks in the Barrack Department, and to withhold any information that could be therefore it could not be alleged that there conveniently produced on this subject; but was not sufficient help to enable the Barfrom the extent and wording of the hon. rack Master to comply with the request of gentleman's motion, he had some doubts a member of parliament. Last year
he of the practicability of obtaining the confined his inquiry to one parish or disreturns to it in any reasonable tiine. Ittrict in the Isle of Wight, and in that place was well worth the attention of the house he had since found that the rents o! Temnot to lose sight of this subject. The hon. porary Barracks were reduced one balf. gentleman had stated, that his motion was Barns hired for that purpose, and rated at precisely the same as one that had been 2,2001. were now lowered to 1,1001. by agreed to last session; but on reference to means of the motion he had formerly made the barrack department, he found that the upon this subject. All this he could prove returns to that motion could not have been to have taken place, although he was now prepared without the aid of twenty additi. to be refused the production of that which onal clerks, and for a long period. The would enabie bim not only to bring several house would consider, whether it would be Barrack-masters to the bar, but also to expedient to order the accounts now called save the sum of two millions to the public. for to be produced at the expence of so As he believed, however, that some reform much time and labour, when the attention was in agitation by ministers themselves, he of two comunissions, the military commis could assure them, that he was not disposed sion and the other commission appointed at to satisfy any revenge upon ihis occasion, the suggestion of the military commission, but merely to press upon them the necessifor exanining persons upon vath, were both ty of a speedy reformation in these abuses. employed in investigating this subject. If All he wished to know was, where the new it should appear that these commissioners account in that department began, and were negligent or inattentive, it would be where the old one ended ? But since he felt for the house to determine how far it would an opposition to this inquiry, merely on acbe right to comply with the motion. count of the mode he proposed, in order
Colonel Barry said, he could contradict to attain this object, he should have no the assertion of the honourable gentleman objection to give up his motion without with respect to the barrack department in dividing the house.
Lord Howick begged the hon. gentleman | The vessels had sailed to Buenos Ayres and the house distinctly to understand, that without such licence, and, consequently, he had not refused bim any papers, which their voyages were illegal. They were concould, with propriety, be produced. If his sequently liable to seizure, not alone by the motion could possibly have been complied agents of the South Sea Company, but by with, without interfering with the commis- any privateer or letters of marque, which sioners already appointed, nobody could might fall in with them. He had not been be more ready than he was, to support himself in town when this event took place, such inquiries. The motion was then put but as soon as the illegality of the transacfrom the chair, and negatived without a tion was adverted to, bis majesty's minisdivision.
ters bad determined, on the meeting of Mr. Robson further slated, that he should, parliament, to propose a measure for leopon a future day, submit a motion to the galizing these voyages. They had conferhouse, that would reach the Barrack De- red with the directors of the South Sea partments upon foreigu stations. He hoped Company, and discussed the question. On the charges abroad, (for instance, in the the 14th of January a draft of the bill then Island of Sicily) would not be found such before the house was communicated to the as were formerly existing in the Island of directors, which was returned on the 15th, Corsica.
with such alterations as they thought ne (SOUTH Sea TRADE BILL.] Lord cessary to be made in it. Goverument had Temple moved the order of the day for the acceded to and adopted these amendments second reading of the South Sea Trade bill. with a single exception, and therefore, le On the motion that the bill be now read a did not think that any case had been second time,
made out for deferring any stage of the Sir Charles Price observed, that as he bill. had but that day presented a petition from Mr. Jacob contended that the South Sea the governor and directors of the South Sea Company had not carried on any commerce Company against the bill, the petitioners were for sixty-five years past, since the comnot prepared with counsel. If, therefore, mencement of the war that began in the ne should suffer that stage of the bill to year 1740. Antecedently to that period, pass, he hoped the house would allow them they had carried on a little trade to South to be heard by counsel, touching their America, by which they lost more than rights, which would be invaded by the bill, they gained; the expences of their factories in the committee.
at Carthagena, Porto Bello, Panama, and Mr. Rose stated, that though the South Lima, having exceeded the profits of their Sea Company had not for forty years car-commerce ; so that there had remained to ried on any trade to the South Sea, it them but a small part of the assiento conwas yet not legal for any ships to trade tract. The South Sea Company, therefore, in that sea, without a license from the com- could not benefit by this trade. It was bepany. It had been mentioned to him, that sides impossible that they should, as they the ships which had sailed for Buenos Ayres had no capital ; and before they could on the first accounts of its capture, had again embark in that trade, it would be nesailed without such licenses, in which case cessary for them to come to parliament to the voyage was illegal from the outset; and be enabled to raise a fresh capital. Though in this view, the question was an important they could not benefit by the trade to one, because this circumstance would have South America, a trade which was extremea very serious effect upon the policies of ly beneficial to the country had risen upon insurance on these vessels. Not having the ruins of this trade, namely, the Southern seen a line of the bill, be wished to be in whale fishery trade, which afforded a conformed, whether it was proposed to give it siderable nursery for British seamen. The a retrospective operation.
company came, therefore, with a very bad Lord Temple said, he had intended to grace to parliament, to press a right which explain the object of the measure, if even they could derive no benefit from, to the he had not been called upon by the right exclusion of a trade from which the public hon. gentleman. By the charter of the would derive advantage. But by the act of South Sea Company, no vessels could le- 1802, all persons had a right to trade. to gally be embarked in a trade to the South the Western coast of South America, withSea without a licence from that Company. out any license, either from the South Sea Company, or from the East India Com- him to report to the house, which are as pany, both of whom claimed a monopoly follows, viz. 1. " That it is the opinion of in these seas. Though the country had this committeee, that a Bounty of 10s. be been put to much expence by the Spanish allowed for every hundred weight of all armament in 1791, to establish the right to double refined Sugar exported from Great carry on the fur trade at Nootka Sound, Britain, over and above the bounty allowathat trade had since fallen into the bands ble on the exportation of refined Sugar in of Americans. As to the question respect- loaf complete and whole, and lump duły ing the policies of insurance, he had the refined. . 2. That whenever it shall appear best legal authority for saying, that the de- by notice in the London Gazette, that the fect in law existed, and therefore he thought average prices of Brown or Nluscovado Suthat the matter demanded the pressing at-gar for the preceding quarter of the year, tention of the house.
taken in manner direcied by an act of the Mr. Tierney stated, on the part of the 3?d of bis present majesty, shall not have East India Company, that they had only exceeled 408. for an hundred weight, exbeen apprehensive that the trade, when clusive of the duties of customis paid or permitted, miglit be extended to other payable thereon, on the importation into parts; for instance, to China; these were Great Britain, then, and in every such case, in the contemplation of the government, there shall be paid and allowed a Bounty and, when they had received satisfactory of 2s. for every hundred weight of Sugar assurances that the trade should not be ex- the produce of the British Plantations extended beyond its precise limits, they had ported from Great Britain ; and if, by such ceased to have•any objection to the bill. notice as aforesaid, it shall appear that the
Sir Charles Price stated, that the object | said average prices of Brown or Muscovado of the petitioners was to have their right Sugar shall have been at or above the price ascertained, and for that purpose they bad of 40s. and shall be under 45s. for an presented themselves to the house, without hundred weight, then, and in every such meaning any opposition to the whole prin case, there shall be paid and allowed a ciple of the bill.-The bill was then read a bounty of one shilling for every hundred second time, and ordered to be printed. weight of such Sugar exported as aforesaid. On the motion that it be commiited on 3. That the bounties now payable on the Monday,
exportation of sugar and sugar candy be Mr. Rose, now that he understood that allowed on depositing the same in warethe bill was to have a retrospective opera- house for exportation. 4. That it is the tion, approved of it so far as related to the opinion of this committee, that an adcovering the vessels from capture; but with ditional duty of 2s.6d. be charged upon regard to its retrospective operation as to every gallon of foreign brandy, spirits, aqua the policies insurance, he had some vitæ, or strong waters (other than run, doubts. The underwriters had a legal spirits, or aqua vitæ of the produce of the right to declive the obligation of the poli- British colonies or plantations in America), cies, and though it would not be very ho- imported into Great Britain, or taken out nourable in them to take advantage of that of any warehouse in which the same way circumstance, he did not think it clear that have been secured for home consumpjon. parliament should take such right from 5. That an additional duty of 18. he churgthem, if they should think proper to acted upon every gallon of foreigo brandy; upon it.--The bill was ordered to be com- spirits, aqua vitæ, or strong waters (other mitted on Monday.
than rum, spirits, or aqua vitæ, of the pro(SUGAR DRAWBACKS.] Mr. Hobhouse duce of the British colonies or plantations reported from the committee of the whole in America), imported into Great Britain house, to whom it was referred to consider and exported therefrom, or taken out of of the several acts relating to the Draw- any warehouse in which the same may have backs and Bounties on Sugar exported; been secured for exportation to parts beand also, of an act made in the 43d of his yond the seas (except to Ireland).” The present majesty, for granting to his majesty, three first Resolutions being read a second until 12 months after the ratification of the time, were agreed to by the house. The definitive treaty of peace, certain additional subsequent Resolutions were postponed. duties of excise in Great Britain, the Reso- [ADDITIONAL DUTY ON FOREIGN lutions which the committee bad directed BRANDY.] The house having resolved itVol. VIII.