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of peril, threatening the very existence of lions, which, it seems, were to be made the State, could woduce him to consent to up by a recourse to former subterfuges, have recourse to that sacred fund,--The and the old system of jobbing with the example in the highest quarter bad cer, Bank: would i ne House make themselves tainly come late, but it was well hat it parties to such delusions ! hall come. His Royal Highness had Mr. Grenfell wanted to know what could doubtless long felt for the public suffer. be applied this year to extinguish debt, ings, and Ministers should have sooner exceping by borrowing money. adrised this honourable step. (Hear!) The Chancellor of the Exchequer enuThey must the more regret this delay, be. meraied several items of expense and recause the earlier adoption of the measure

Taking old oaval stores, the lotsoud have very much allayed the discon tery, and ober branches, there would be tent which had so turbulently prevailed. eight millions odd applicable, to which He also thought it wonderful, that the re. add 14 millions, and there was a total of ductions in the salaries of public officers 22 millions, exceeding the supply by about had not been sooner adopted. They me 1,400,0001. rited no praise for it, for it had been Mr. Brand observed, the proposed Comclearly extorted from them. And this mitee was not satisfactory; the people of proved that if the real majority of the England demanded something more; they Nation was firm avd unaniinous, the House were alarmed when they heard proposed would comply with its wishes; which was retrenchmenis followed by enlarged saperhaps the best. answer to those pre laries; and when they saw the office of tended Reformers who talked of a pure the “ Clerk of the Pelis" in Ireland conrepresentation.--As for the proposed Com tinued at a salary of 40001. a year, and mittee, the country must not be mocked other offices increased in emolument, it with one which was to investigate every was not possible for them to restrain the thing and do nothing; they must do some expression of their indignation. thing real; the people would not be con Mr. Wilberforce could not give an entire tent with the mere shew of a remedy! approbation to the appointment of the The Committee should be an efficient one; Committee. His mind was pretty fully but it seemed to him, that it was intended made up on this point, when he heard the to draw a veil over the public expendi. Noble Lord say it might sit one year, or ture. Tbe Committee would have much two years, or perhaps iliree years. If to do, if it did its duty. Did the House this were the case, what benefit could be know, that there were sixty persons now expected from its labours ? Could it be in that assembly, holders of offices, who even expected to last out its full time? might be dismissed from them at the plea. Was there not one idea intimately assosure of the Crown ? If these offices were ciated with such a Committee, namely, not to be abolished, a question would that the dissolution of Parliament would arise as to their bolding stars in Parlia- put an end to its existence. With respect ment. Ministerial majorities were often to the influence of the Crown, it had inmade up of such potes! The only real creased very considerably; it in fact met raad to economy was to reduce such in every man every where. (Cheering.) And fuence.

while he de precated any attempts to inThe Chancellor of the Exchequer had flame the public mind, he bg no ineaas reason to expect that the revenue would granted that the way to reconcile the not turn out so defective this year as it people to their sufferings, and to quiet bad last; and he declared, that every their minds, was by refusing to make such satisfactory means would be afforded to diininations in every department as could examine the situation of the finances to be etfected without injury to the publie the very bottom. The sum of 20,000,0001. service. would be the whole of the real peace esta Lird Lascelles heard with great satis. blishment.

faction the statement wade by Ministers; Mr. Brougham predicted that every sa and believed that the concession made lutary object would be evaded, by the that night would be particularly gratify. overwhelming mass of papers with which ing, and be most thankfully received. the Committee would be inundated. Such Mr. Ponsonby was persuaded the fale a Commiliee could do nothing; patronage of the country was in the hands of that and influence would impede every endea House; and it was necessary to shew that vour at reduction. The House should they were determined to reduce the bur. look into the real situation of the Nation. thens of the people -He approved of the The publick called alond for a reduction; resolution of bis Majesty's servants to would they refuse to answer it? Destroyers abaie a portion of their salaries: they of abuses and the abolishers of sine cures owed it to the country : but he would go were to be formed out of those very per- fariher, and say, there was no individual sons who enjoyed thein !--There would whatever receiving a salary that ought not be a debcit in the revenue of twelve inil to be willing to reduce it. . lie spoke this


as an interested person, and be thought the Gen. Fergusson was exceedingly grati. reduction proposed was not sufficient ; for fied with the intelligence now coinmunihis own part, he was ready to go farther. cated to the flouse, and trusted in God But there were many situations held under that the example would be followed by Government, where the emolument was so others. / Cheering.) small, that it would be cruel to propose a On Lord Cochrane presenting a petition reduction, and cruel to receive it,

from Lymington on the subject of Reform, The House then divided; for the Com. Mr. Lockhart objected to a passage wbich mittee 210-against it 117. There were assertcd “ that the state of the represen. other divisions, Mr. Tremaybe having tation was so corrupt and perverled, that been proposed in the room of Lord Bin the House of Commcos, instead of being ning, and subsequently of Mr. Huskisson ; the guardian of the people's rights, was but Ministers carried them.

employed io nothing but levying burdens Mr Ponsonby, Mr. Charles Wynne, Mr. upon them, and instead of exercising a Freemantle, Lord Morpelh, Lord Stanley, control over Ministers, became the tool of were all proposed as Members of the Com Ministers in controlling the people. mitee, but they severally declined ac, Lord Castlereagh objected to its being cepting the trust.---Mr. Tierney did not received. decline, but accepted under a reservation. On a division it was rejected, by 72

to 43, February 11. Lord Folkestone presented a petition

February 12. agreed to at the Spa-fields Meeting on the In consequence of some observations 10th inst. The Noble Lord professed him- by Sir S Romilly on the severity of the self unacquainted with any of the parties Game Law passed la t Session, which made who signed the petition, and inimical to it felony, punishable by transportation, some parts of its prayer ; but as it was for an unqualified person to be found conched in respectful language, and, as he abroad, from eight at night till seven in was anxious, in the present season of suf the morning, with arins in his possession; fering and distress, no obstruction should a long conversation ensued, when it apbe offered to the petitions of the people, pearing to be the general feeling that the he willingly undertook the duty of laying law, as it now stood, was too severe, Sir it before Parliament: it was read, and Samuel had leave to bring in a Bill to reordered to lie on the table.

peal the present Act. Lord Cochrane presented another petition from tbe people of Hampshire, a'.

February 14. sembled at Portsdown-hill, near Ports. Several petitions being presenter for mouth,

Reform, Mr. Brougham, in eloqueut and Gen. Fergusson said, that as this and patriotic terms, declared his dissent from all the other petitions which had been Annual Parliaments and Universal Sufpresented to the House on the subject of frage, which aimost every Reform periReform prayed for an abolition of Sinecures, tion now prays for. and as he wow sawa Noble Lord (Castle. Mr. Boswell, Sir M. W. Ridley, and reagb) in his place, he begged to ayk if Mr. C W. Wynn, coincided in similar the report in circulation was true, which declarations, and did themselves great stated that a Noble Marquis, one of the credit by she spirited and severe dressing greatest sinecurists in the country, had, they gave to Lord Cochrane, for encouin consideration of the almost unanimous raging public meeiings of the people, and feeling of the Nation, and the general dis afierwards presenting their mischievous uess, surrei.dered his sinecure?

petitions, and chinerical plans of Reform, Lord Castlereagh answered, that the re. to the House. port was well-founded; that the Noble Mr. Brougham alluded, in a particolar Marquis (Camden) alluded to had resigned monuer, to ibe limited stock of bistorical all the emoluments and profits of the of. and antiquarian knowledge possessed by fice he held, and only retained the regu. the framers of these petitions, when they lated salary of 2,5001. ( Cheering.) The referred to the condition of England. 1200 Noble Marquis had been for some time years ago, as affording the model of a desirous of inaking this sacritice ; but, as free constitution ; and characterised such his office was in the nature of a vestad persons as veluders of the public mind. right, and as he did not know what effect Mr. C. IV. W. I'yn" reminded the this surrender might have on others in a Ilouse that the Triennial Act of 1696 was similar situation, he delayed iill the ineet a triumph obrained by tire people; for ing of Parliainent. Seeing, however, the previous to that period, Parliaments, so example of retrenchment and sacritice set far from being annual, sat during the in the highest quarter, he no longer hesi mere pleasure of the Sovereign, and 10 tuted, and offered now all the emoluments suit his convenience entirely on the subof his appoiotment,

ject of raising money, with a semblance



of law; and that until the æra of the Re laries to the Secretaries of the Admiralty, volution of 1688, England could not boast and other officers, in consideration of the either of a free Parliament or a free expedition to Algiers was uncalled for, and people.

therefore an improper application of the

public money. House of Lords, February 17.

Mr. Croker said, he had made the de. The Earl of Aberdeen presented the Re mand of the war salary because he thought port of the Secret Committee appoioted to

it a matier of right, and because he inquire joto certain meetings and comoj. thought it due to the office he held. (Hear!) nations endangering the public tranquil. The sum itself was paltry. Had he conlity.

sented to surrender the 2301. in August On the motion of the Earl of Liverpool, last, out of regard to the distresses of the the Report was ordered to be taken into country, it would have been said, “ You consideration on the 21st instant.

give nothing—you only abstain from de.

manding what you have no right to enjoy." In the Commons, the same day, the After some discussion, the motion was Hon. Mr. Bennett, after adverting to the negatived by 169 to 114. notice he had taken last year of the condemned persons in Newgate, saill, he now

February 19. found that three sessions had passed with Mr. Grenfell dwelt at great length upon out a Report being made by the Recorder; the enormous profits made by the Bank. and on the 19th inst. the fourth session In 20 years (since 1797) their profits had would commence ; and that there were been not less than twenty-seven millions. 7.3 inen and fifteen women under sentence He concluded by in-ving for a “ Select of death. He moved for an account of Committee to inquire into the engagethe number of convicts under sentence of ments now subsisting between the country death in Newgate, and of their crimes, and and the Bank, and to consider of the adthe dates, of their conviction,

vantages now derived to the Bank, with a Lord Castlereagh said, he could pledge to the acioption of future arrangehimself that the delay did not lie with the ments, consistent with that good faith Lord Chancellor.

which ought always to be preserved on The Allorney General alleged, that the the part of the country.”--After a short great number of convicted persons made discussion, in which Messrs. Vansittart, one reason for the delay. They were, P. Moore, Marryalt, Huskisson, Manning, it seemed, no fewer than 88.

After sen and Lord A. Hamilton, participated, the tence was pronounced, it was the employ motion was negatived, by 90 to 40. meat and the duly of the Recorder to ex Mr. Brugge Buihurst appeared at the amine the particulars, to consider the cha bar with the Report of the Commitee of Tacter of the evidence, to read all through Secrecy, (of which we gave a copy in our and digest it, and to communicate the re last, p. 165.) sult, with his own detailed opinions, to the Lord Chancellor. Each individual case

HOUSE OF Lords, Feb. 21. then went before the King or Prince Re Earl Grosvenor said, before proceeding gent in Council. He had lately cooversed to the Order of the Day, he was desirous with the Recorder, who regretted much of calling their Lordships' attention to a that he had not had time enough to pre petition which he held in his band, and pare his Report for the Lord Chancellor. which he thonght of considerable importHe had stated his immense labours, aud

It was the petition of Thomas the time which the sessions occupied. Cleary, Serretary to the London Union There were then sixty unreported cases: Society, in which the Petitioner complains and he could state on the Recorder's ay of the manner in which the Society is thority, that he was not then in a condi- spoken of in the Report of the Secret tion to make his Report satisfactorily. Committee of the House of Lords. His There was nut an unnecessary delay, but Lordship observed, with regard to the peonly a delay as far as was consistent with tition he had thus read, that it contained justice to individuals.

statements which it was of the utmost im

portance the House should thoroughly February 18.

examine, because, if these statements were In a Committee of Supply, Sir G. War correct, the Secret Comunittee was im. render proposed a vote for 19,000 seamen, posed upon. including 6000 marines.

A considerable debate ensued. Lord Milton concluded a speech, re Earl Grey moved an amendment, that probating the grant of one quarter's war the debate be adjourned, and a Commit. salaries to Mr. Croker and ihe other Se. tee named to search for precedents. The cretaries of the Admiralty, in consequence amendment, however, and the petition, of the expedition to Algiers, by the fol. were finally rejected by a considerable lowing motion : that the issue of war sa majority.



When strangers were withdrawn, Lord property in the funds and elsewhere was Holland presented to the House of Lords liable to Poor's Rates; and by a quolaa petition from Paisley, signed by several tion which he made, it appeared, that in thousand inhabitants, and praying for An the year 1663, it was resolved by the dual Parliaments and Uoiversal Suffrage. Judges, that every person should be

Lord Sidmouth moved, that a Bill en charged according to his estale; and by abling bis Majesty to secure and delain the 22d of Geo. I. property in the Funds in custody such persons as his Majesty was made chargeable. But he contended, may suspect of intentions against his Ma- if the Houses of Parliament should at any jesty's peace and Government, should be time say that property in the Funds should read the first time. He wished to defer the not be charged, that then they would have discussion to the 2nd reading, which he pro- exceeded their powers, and have acted in posed shoold take place on the 24th inst. opposition to the laws of pasure, and coaThe Bill was then read the first time. trary to the immutable principles of jus.

rice. And as to the policy of taxing tunded In the Commons, the same day, Mr. property for the poor, it was quite as poBennett presented a Petition from 259 in litic to do so as to lay the Income Tax on habitants of Brentford, in favour of a it. The country had now been brought publican of the name of Joseph Harding to a stale of the utmost distress, and relief who had kept the sign of the Castle in was now essential to existence. The ibat town, but whose license was taken Poor's Rates were one of the many causes from him by the Magistrales, in conse which produced these melancholy effects; quence, as the Petitioners asserted, of and now the greatest pains should be taken some undue bias against him, although, to equalize the burdens which they im. instead of being a disorderly house, the posed. He calculated the amount of inCastle had always been one of the most terest on Funded Properiy, namely, De. regular and well-conducted houses in bentures, Bank Stock, lodia Stock, South Brentford.

Sea Stock, &c. &c. to amount to three Colonel Wood said, that a more ho. millions and a half: if ibis, together with nourable set of men than the Magistrales landed property, was taxed, even at a of Brentford, were not in existence. very low rate, it would yield a sufficient

Mr. H. Sumner deprecated loose charges suin for the poor. He also observed, that in that House against Magistrates. money lent at interest should also be

Mr. Bennetl, alluding to the Police made chargeable. He was of opinion, Report, described Mr. Merceron's coo. that pauperism was more the effect of duct before the Committee, as evincing commerce than of agriculture; and he cool, deliberate, and habitual falsehood. also observed, that the Poor Laws were Whenever he was asked a question, bis peculiarly oppressive upon persons who invention seemed immediately to be set were not natives of England. After the to work to get rid of it by artifice. So natives of Ireland or of other places came short was his memory, that he vever re. into England in search of occupation, and collected what he had said ten minutes after they had spent a long lite in labourbefore, and therefore contradicted bim ing for the luxury and comfort of the self continually.

English, they were sent back to their Mr. Brougham expressed surprise that native country, diseased, destituie, and the Chairman of the Police Committee infira, forgotten by some friends, and had not reported Mr. Mercerun's conduct deprived of others by the band of death, to the House.

He assured the House, that he felt bis The Petition was ordered to lie upon the inadequacy to perform the task which he table.

had undertaken ; and before he conMr. Curwen said, he had quite made cluded, he begged leave to conjure the up bis mind poi to go into a Committee Noble Lord to raise and immortalize his to take into consideration the present state name, by lending his assistance to the of the Poor Laws, unless there was a good amelioration of ibose unjust and oppres. prospect of obtaining effectual and speedy sive Laws. He urged him to come forrelief. He said that be had a variety of ward ; he entreated him to tell the House letters from Shropshire, Sussex, and many and ibe Country what they had to expect, Other places, stating they paid from 18 10 as every thing depended upon him. The 205. in the pound. He calculated the num Honourable Member concluded by moving ber of paupers to amount to two millions that a Comunittee be appointed to inquire and a half, and the amount of subscrip- into the state of the Poor Laws. tions and Poor Rates to be about 8,500,0001. Lord Castlereagh doubted whether all wbich made on the wbole 26 per cent, on the sanguine views of the Hoo. Gentleman the entire rent. These considerations, he could be realized by the labours of the said, required some a:tentioo-these evils proposed Committee, but he certainly called for some redress. Many lawyers believed that much good might be reasons of high eminence were of opinion that all ably expected from the aleasure. Не


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assured the Honourable Gentleman, that from exertion. But he would push this he took as gloomy a view of the in. principle so far, that he would rather em. fuence of the Poor Laws, in breaking ploy the labouring poor to dig a hole one down the national character, as he could day, and make them all it up again the possibly do; and if they did not elevate next, than allow them to remain idle, and the national character, by inspiring the expose themselves to the danger of losing population of the country will the the use of their hands and legs, and the wish rather to live on their own labour, power of making themselves astfultotheme than on what they could draw from the selves and their country. (Hear!) Though labour and property of others, he firmly this labour might not be immediately probelieved that the English people would ductive, it at least kept the labourers in a not isi future ages be what they had been state wbich rendered the capable of fuin times past. (Hear, hear, hear.) The ture efforts, and thus averled one great present system not only went to accumu. danger to be apprehended from a great late burdens on the country which it could proportion of the labouring poor subnut continue to bear, but to destroy the sisting without effort at all. If the true wealth of the poor man, the capa.

law did not receive some such corbilily of making exertions for his our rection in its adınjuistration, the evil livelihood ; for, if pecuniary relief went would, at last, become too strong for the on with the laxity which now prevailed, law,-The difficulty was the getting at and all the cunning of uncultivated minds personal property by taxation. With rewas to be directed to the means of es spect to the application of such funds as capiug from labour and the enjoying the might be obtained from personal property, fruils of the labour of others, a pational in aid of the general interest, on a priocalamiiy might be said to be overtaking ciple of equalization, assisting such paus by a double operation-in the increased rishes as were already taxed to a given burdens imposed on the country, and the amount, he could never approve of such diminution of the industry from which its a system. By it, a parish which had resources were derived. Though, there. once arrived at a maximum would have fore, they could vol set themselves against nothing to do but to put its bands into the statute of Elizabeth, yet they could the pockets of the rest of the country. look into it, and on doing so, they would There would then be no interest whatever find that those objects which were within to counteract abuses, and to watch over the original purview of the Law, were the the due application of the parish funds sick and infirm poor, and those labouring (Hear, hear!) Let vot the Hon. Member under teenporary difficulties. Without apprehend, wben he touched on these any innovation, therefore, on the existing ideas, that be wished to discourage all atLaw, or shaking any of those claims tempts to overcome the difficulty – be which were supposed to exist under the Ihrew them out because he wished them Law, he apprehended that no proposition to go into the Committee like States. was more clear thay that when a man men, with correct ideas of the difficulty. possessed bodily ability to work, the per- He felt the utmost gratification in sup. formance of work might be made the cri. porting the motion for a Commitee. terion of the condition entitling him 10 The motion was agreed to, and a select relief, and that this pecuniary claim Committee appointed, composed of the might be connected with work. If that following members :-- Mr. Cursen, Lord were made the basis of the Poor Law“, Castlereagh, Mr. Frankland Lewis, Mr. there was baidly a parish in England, Bragge Bathurst, Sir Thomas Baring, Mr. bowever small it might be, where the in Rose, Mr. Ruskisson, Mr. Marton Pitt, dustry of tbose able to work and applying Mr. Legh Keck, Mr. Dickinson, Lord for relief, might not be turned to advan Lascelles, Mr. Blolford, Mr. Davis Giltage. In every parish they might find bert, Sir James Shaw, Mr. Brand, Mra materia's sufficient for relieving all the Lockhart, Mr. Sturges Bourne, Lord Sian. distressed of the parish by means of work, ley, Mr. W. Dundas, Mr. Robinson, Sir excepting children, and those whose ad Thos. Courtney. vanced age or infirmity precluded them

(To be continued.)


lious; but the commission appointed to In the Chamber of Deputies, the Mi- report upon the law recominended 44 nisiers have been left in a minority of 89 millions; and this suin was carried, bg to 103, on the important question of what the numbers above cited. Another motion we call the Navy Estimates. The Mi was then made, to increase the sum tu nister of that department had calculated 46,000,000. Sereral of the Members in upon a grant of 50 inillions : he had al the mean time quitted the Chamber; and ready appropriated upwards of 48 mil. it was contended, that there were not 2


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