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· Mr. Whitbread said, that, from an expectation that the committee would have much longer time to continue their inyestigations than he found was afterwards perinitted them, and knowing, as he did, that owing to lis mint being otherwise engaged at the commencement of their sitting (upon the impeachment of Lord Melville, he was supposed to mean), he was unable to attend at the first ot their investigations ; he therefore' did not think fit to attend the committee during the fatter part of their sitting, but waired until they should have made a report, intending then to join them or iheir entering apois a fresh subject of inquiry. For this reason he agreed with the honourable member who spoke last, and on the ground which had been by him stated, it was right that his (Mr. Whitbread's) name should be omitted in the list of members to form the present committee.
Mr. H. Addington was of opinion, that the committee ought to be precisely the same as if no dissolution, had taken place. Unless it was fairly proved, that some distinct blame attached to them, the omission of any' name would, in his opinion, be casting a most unmerited stigma on the character of such as should have their names onnitted on the re-appointment of the committee. ,
Lord Cochrane (!eclared, that he did expect that the same regulation would have been adopted on this occasion, as that which had been agreed to with respect to private bills. Besides tlris, from their actions be gadge:l, that the last committee was better than any new one that was likely to be appointed.
Colonel Shipley declared, that the former committee hack the entire confidence of the country, when what he felt hiniself entitled to call the unjustifiable conduct of ministers, the dissolution, deprived the country of the further benefit of their labours. For this reason he thougót that ministers owed it to the individuals who composed that comınittee, they owed it to the liouses and they owed it to the country, to reaniinate (now. they had an opportirnity of doing so that virtuous body whose vital powers the pestilential breath of ministers had for a time suspended.
Mr. Stuart Wortley asked. an honourable gentleman opposite (Mr. Bankes), whether the report was regularly drawn up before him, or with his approbation as chairman of the committee, and ready to be delivered at ihe bar of the House when the dissolution took place ?
Mr. Bankes answered, that that was the only day on which he was absent from the committee. He understood; however, that the report was drawn up, approved of by the committee, and ready to be presented at the bar of the House. As he had already stated, the committee had come to the resolution of relating the facts, and pointing out the remedy at the same time, but such a resolution was very fairly alterable according as circumstances might suggest to the committee; of such circunstances the dissolution was certainly one.
Mr. Huskisson observed, that the committee had ad. journed to two o'clock on Monday ; consequently they had not time to have prepared such a report as that which was spoken of, before the dissolution took place.
Mr. H. Thornton declared that he was of opinion that the statement of facts and the remedy proposed for these evils ought to be given together; the committee was of the same opinion, but the resolution of the committee, he thought, was repealable, as circumstances might appear to them to justify it; and, for his own part, he was of opinion, that it would be much better that a naked report of such facts as had come to their knowledge, should be given to Parliament, than that the report should be entireJy lost, and the committee deprived of the power of stating what they knew, by the dissolution.
Alderman Combe assured the House, that, in conse. quence of the absence of their chairman, another genıleman was called to the chair. The report was distinctly read, and he never saw or heard any act of any committee of that House meet with more unanimous approbation, than the report which was now mentioned.
: Mr. Sharpe ackuowledged, that he felt the full force of the two compliments which had been paid him. To his honourable friend (Mr. Bankes) he was extremely thankful for the very handsome manner in which he had mentioned his name. To the gentlemen on the other side, he had also reason to express his acknowledgınent of the kindness which they had done lim ; for he considered it to be as bigh a compliment as those génilenen could bestow, when they thought proper 10 cxpress their objection to him by the omission of his name in the new list. There was one fact, however, with which he thought it right that he should acquaint ibe Ilouse, that was, that if he should not be again chosen a member of the finance committęc, and
should shoold those that were to be the eheten people of the new ministry,' attempt to suppress any stateinent of evidence that had already been entered on, it was some con olation to him to have it to say, that he had in his own hands a number of extracts and minutes from the intended report, which he pledged. Hunself to bring forward whenever he should see any necessity for doing so. But if point of fact, the had mach rather that he should hót be a main apo pointed to serve in the finance committee, as he would now stand in a very diflerent situation from that in wlich he , formerly acted." ;) : "* ***" i ste i :..to
The Honourable it ilium Lantbe declared, that he took on himself his fall share of the responsibility which was attached to the framing of the report and pledyed himself to state the foll necessity there was 'fur maleing such a report, whenever he should be entitled to do so consistent with the forms of the onse. ! inyol, i inni .
. Lord xirchibald Hamilton added his testimony to that of his noble friend ag 10 the necessity which there was fir the formation of the report, and took also upon himself his full share of the responsibility which was attached to
• Lord Howick began by expressing his reluctance to de tain the attention of the House at that late hour, but there were some points in the debate upon which he could not forbear to offer a few observations. Before, however, he proceeded to these points, die begred to say, that there scemed to be some misunderstanding among tire gentlemen on the other sidle, with regard to the report of the finance committee, which was ready to be presented on the day of dissolution. "If crentlemen' were not yet recovered from their heat uport this subject, 'he thought it might be easily satisfied that the conduct of the committee alluded to, was strictly correct and impartial; tlim they had done no more than ileir duty', nay.
mre, that they would have violated their duly, if they had not acted as they had done. The honourable gentleman who acted as chairman of that committee, had resolved not to report, until å statement of the evils they discovered, should be accompanied by a description of the remedy to be recommended. But that resolution was revocable, and the honourable gentleman admitted that the committee had completed their inquiries (Mr. Bankes nodded assent). Then, 'observed the noble lord, in what situation was the committee placed? They
had materials to report upon, and in fact, if he was right. ly informed, the committee were in daily expectation of the honourable gentleman coming down as chairman, with a repori prepared for their consideration. But the report of a sudden dissolution, being communicated to the honour. able gentleman, that honolirable gentleman (and he did not mention it for any purpose of blame) thought proper to leave town in order to preserve another object, where he had reason to expect a contested election. The other mem: bers remained in town; andhaving the prospect of a specdy dissolution, he would put it to the ilouse and the country, lie would put it to all candid men, whether they were not warrasted, having an important transaction to make known, upon which transaction, with the in perfect know ledge iliat he had of it, he would woi attempt to pronounce any opinion, whether, he woulil ask, they were not bound to take care that the fruit of their laborious investigation should not be lost? With a view to guard against that, and with the pros cct before them, the committee. were, he conterided, perfectly right to proceed as they had done, although, owing to a liule dexterity, the attainment of their. object was prevented for the moment. That, however, this commities had, on the whole, acted a most meritori. ous part; that they had been active and diligent in their inquiries, and that in the conclusion of their labours, they hal dugte what their duty required, he would be ever ready to maintain. But this commitee was not to be revived as it stoo:l before, because, as the Secretary for Foreign Af fairs had stated, it was necessary to introduce into itą different set of inen, of a diferent party i:! politics, which change that right honourable gentleman declared to be necessary with a view to impariality. For, according to that right lionourable secretary's declamatory strain of observations, there was no chance of obtuning impartiality, but through what he called a collision of opposilc opinions, and that too in a committee of inquiry. Now, for binself, he would say, tha! he was now, add had always be'), a party man, and for tiese reasons: first, because belonghit a pariy conncc ion was the most effectul way to promote any public objeci; and seconilly, because, to say the least ofii, lie couliI not think from what he had seen in that House,, or heard out of it, ihai, me! who disclaimed party, were the inost reinarkable for independence and purity. But much as be preferred a party connec:ion,
and was convinced of its beneficial operations for the pub, lic, still be would deprecate the idea of it if he thought the attachments it engendered were likely to stifle inquiry, or to conceal the public malversation of a party man. Sure he was, that among that party with which he had the honour to act, there existed no such disposition; and yet, unless the gentlemen on the other side entertained such a suspicion, he could not conceive a reason for the manner in which they prepared to new-model this committee, Among the names of those members of the former commit, tee whom the Chancellor of the Exchequier thought proper to exclude, he desired to have one pointed out to whom any suspicion could reasonably attach, of being infuenced by party attachments in the examination of public delin. quency. He would take, for instance, without any dispo. sition to particular preference; he would take an honour, able friend near him (Mr. Whitbread). Would the gentlemen on the other side object to his independence, after the swelling coinpliments which the House had heard some time since applied to this honourable friend's manly inde. pendence by the Secretary for Foreign Affairs? He meant upon the discussion of the conduct of the negotiation. He would ask of these gentlemen, whether they could suspect that his honourable friend would, if appointed to this com, mittee, attempt to screen even him, were he guilty, from the consequences of any malversation ? (cry of hear ! hear!) Upon what ground, then, was the name of his honourable friend excluded? and he might put the same question as to any of the olier gentlemen on his side of the House, whose names were omitted ; but it was the resolution of the gentlemen on the treasury bench, for the purpose of a fair collision of parties cven in this committee, to construct it of an even balance of opposite parties. The House, however, would judge of this proposed fairness when it was understood, ihat out of the twenty-five mem. bers, no less than fourteen were selected from among the connections of the ministers (hear! hear !). .
With regard to the charges and insinuations thrown out against the conduct of the last administration, he should in the first place answer their accusers by saying, that he only desired inquiry. All he should ask of the House and the country would be, not to adopt any opinion, not to come to any conclusion, not to pronounce any judgment, upon the accusations loosely thrown out by