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to the merits of any officer, or of more ago, receive the reversion of a sinecure of. signal and complete rewards being con-fice (which had since fallen in) when he ferred for any services, than had been was about to go to a distant part of the granted to the noble lord himself by the world, in a most arduous and important Admiralty, when lord Mulgrave presided public situation. He was at that time in there; and yet the noble lord was one of a delicate state of health, and had a large the most violent parliansentary opponents family. Whether that noble lord, in the of that very Admiralty. Mr. Pole said distant service on which he then went, he was one of those who set a high value had discharged his duty with advantage upon the services of the noble lord. He io the state, he must leave to the decision had, at the time they were achieved, of the House and of the country. Whethought them most brilliant, and he thought ther the other branches of the Wellesley 80 still. But brilliant and distinguished family who were now employed in tbe as they were, he would take upon him to public service, had discharged their duty say, that there was not a man in the House, with advantage to the country, it did not in the navy, or out of doors, that did not become him to decide, but he would wilthink that the most ample and complete lingly submit every part of their conduct rewards had been conferred upon the no- to the judgment of the House and of the ble lord for those services, and he be country. With respect to himself, he lieved if the navy had any colour of com- never had held, nor ever would bold a plaint against the Admiralty on that oc- sinecure office, but he never would suffer casion, it was rather that i bey had done any aspersion to be thrown from any 100 much than too little. That the noble quarter upon any of his iamily, wihout lord, therefore, should be the person to boldly and fairly meetina 1.

He de assert in this House, that no officer could spised pecuniary considera ions as much hiave justice done him, or could hope for a as the noble iord or any of his congecious, fair reward for his services, excepting he or any other person whatever. In the was a parliamentary follower of ministers, latter part of the noble lord's speech, he was etrtainly most singular and 11.Coif- had made some observations upon subprehensible. The noi e lord in is ob jects connected with the practicid pare

of servations upon sinecuie pensions con- Inis profession, and had displayed that de ferred upon put ic men or their families, gree of information and ingenuity which for various serios, had endeavoured to every body allowed him to possess. Dur. hold up the Eve to the public as a set inghe period that he had the honour of of men actuated solely by views of pri- holding a situation at the Admiralty, be vate interest, and incapable of any senti- had frequently the advantage of hearing ment of public virtue, applying his ob- the poble iord's sentiments upon practical servations to both sides of the House, and professional points, and the noble lord, be his animidversions on the mode of re- trusted, would do the Admiralty and him warding the wants or alleviating the suf- the justice to admit, that his opinions bad ferings of the navy equally to all adminis- been listened to with that degree of ato trations. The noble lord, after the very tention and respect, to wbich, upon such extraordinary comments which he had subjects, they would be always entitled

. made upon the Pension List, had thought He could not sit down witbout again content proper in make an attack upon the Wels pressing his regret that the noble lord did jeslty family, of which he (Mr. Pole) was not consult his own natural good undera member. And the noble lord had as standing instead of suffering himself to be serted ibat the Wellesleys received from guided by others, who were perpetually the pu ic no less than 34,0001. a year, in leading him astray.

There was, to be sinecure places, and had proceeded to sure, à considerable degree of eccentrimake a most extraordinary calculation of city in the noble lord's manner, but at the the num' er of arms and legs which that same time he had so much good British som would compensate for, according to stuff about him, and so much knowledge the system of the Pension List. In an- of his profession, that he would always be swer to the noble loril's assertion, he listened to with great respect; it was begged to state to the Committee, that therefore the more to be lamented that there was no member of the Wellesley he did not follow the dictates of his owo family, except 'he noble lord at the head good understanding, instead of being of it, who possessed any sinecure office. guided by the erroneous advice, or adopt

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vised the noble lord to give up such prac- gentleman moved, that it be referred tices. He assured him, that he would lo the Committee appointed to consider find that an adherence to the pursuits of of the affairs of the East India company. his profession, of which he was so great Mr. Creevey rose, to offer some obseran ornament, would be more likely to vations upon the statements alledged in tend to bis own honour, and the advan- this petition. It stated, that the governtage of his country, than a perseverance ment was in debt to the East India com. in the conduct he had of late adopted, pany on account of the expences incurred which was calculated to lead him into in the late war: but their account was reerrors, and to make him the dupe of those, ferred to a Committee in the year 1805, who would use the authority of his name who reported that the amount of the bao to advance their own base and mischievous lance then due to the company was projects.

2,300,0001. Out of this they were paid Mr. Whitbread adverted to the proposed two millions, and there still remained a establishment of a naval arsenal at Northblance in their favour of 300,0001 But fleet, which lie strongly recommended a. in coe next year the cornpany produced a a matter now of imperious necessity, and new statement, in which ihev swelled this regretted that sums were wasted in use- balance to 1,500,000l. making their ori. Jess repairs of the old arsenals, and in ginal claim, instead of 2,300,0001., other unprofitable objects, which might 3,800,0001. He denied that such a thing have gone a great way to effect this great ought to have been done; it was done object.

however, and now they came forward with The kesoluuion was then agreed to, and a new claim for 1,900,000l. alleged to be the House resumed.

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upon this stale : count. They seemed totally to forget that, in fact, the public owed them nothing. He could easily un

derstand that, wanting this sum, they preMonday, May 14.

ferred claiming it as a debt to asking for [Cruelty to ANIMALS Bill.] Lord it in any other shape; because if it was Erskine rose and male various observations granted to thein in the shape of a debt, it upou the present state of the bill he had would be got by a single motion; whereas, introduced, which he was sorry he had in any other way, the progress would be not been able to persuade the House to circuitous, and liable to be impeded by pass unanimously : but, as he was disposed much dist ussion. It was now four years to do all the good he could, he hoped to since any discussion of the company's afbe able soon to prepare some other mea. fairs took place in that Huuse ; for they sure on this subject, which would receive had been now four years without bringing the unanimous vote of the House. He forward any budget, although they had, therefore moved, at present, that the order in successive years, claimed and obtained for re-committing the bill be discharged, large sums in advance, on pretence of anwhich was agreed to.

swering the exigencies of the moment,
All, in fact, that parliament knew of the
East India conipany for the last four years

was from its petitions on their journals.
Monday, May 14.

In the year 1807, a bill passed for enabling [AFFAIRS OF THE EAST India COMPANY.) them to borrow 2,000,000l. In the folMr. Astell presented a Petition from the lowing year another bill passed for enaEast India Company, which was received bling them to raise 1,900,0001., they stated and read. It took a retrospective view of again last year, that they wanted another the connexion between the company and | 2,000,0001. to meet the exigencies of the the British government since the year occasion, and yet another session had 1793 ; stating, that upon the expences in- passed without their submitting to the curred by several expeditions which had House any general state of their affairs, been undertaken, debts were incurred on owing to the want of which it was imposboth sides, which were never clearly ba- sible for the House to come to a full and lanced and liquidated; but that a consi- fair discussion upon a subject so important. derable balance was due to the company, He considered the present claim as one of which they now prayed to liave examined the most preposterous that ever was 'of. by the House, and any balance that might fered to parliament, and he trusted the appear due to them be paid.The hon. House would grant the company nothing

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until a full account of the state of their counts and transactions were laid down affairs was produced and investigated. and closed by the Committees in 1805 and The law positively required, that before 1808, and he was surprised, after having any dividend was made of their profits, read their reports, that the right hon. gen. they should clear their accounts with the tlemen opposite, on the part of government, -public; and yet, although no such clear- should be found to assent to any new ance had been made, the company were claim. now dividing on their last years profit 101

Mr. Whitbread said, although the ac. per cent. He hoped, therefore, the House counts between the government and the would come to some decisive issue upon India company had not been completely the subject.

liquidated, balances ought to be struck Mr. Grant said there was one topic from from time to time. The hon. gentlemea which the hon. gent. generally abstained opposite to him had said, that the company when speaking of the affairs of the com- did not think themselves fairly dealt by pany ; namely, the justice due to them. in the last settlement of their account. He, (Mr. Grant,) however, would main- The president of the board of controul tain, that they had a just claim to a very was the same person then as now ; $o considerable balance in their favour, that was the Chancellor of the Exchequer. the true balance due to them in 1808, was They made no objection to the former 1,500,000l. and that the company had settlement; and if that was their opinion never acceded to the statement as laid at the time, he did not see what right the down by the honourable gentleman. They company bad now to come forward, and desired only to appeal to the justice of claim a new investigation upon an account the House ; they asked only a fair exami- already settled two years ago. The right nation of their accounts, and if any ba- hon. gent. the Chancellor of the Escbe. lance should appear due to them, that they quer said, that on the former occasion be might receive it. It was said on a recent withheld his own countenance from their occasion that the doors of that House should claim. But had they no opportunity of be opened wide to petitions, and he hoped conversation with him since? Had they the India company were as fairly entitled, not before received his formal refusal to to the extension of such an indulgence support their claim; and yet two years as any other description of people. If after the account was closed, they were any money was due to them it ought to be allowed to come forward with the counpaid. The hon. gent. he was sure, would tenance of the right hon. gent. and again not contend that no balance was due; and set up their claim, which he considered as he trusted the House of Commons would unfair and unadmissible by the public. not close its ears against just claims offered Mr. R. S. Dundas said, the hon. gent. in respectful language.

was right; he (Mr. Dundas) did at that The Chanceilor of the Exchequer, in an- time state that the account was closed, and swer to some allusion from Mr. Creevey the reason was, that the Report of the with respect to his interference in the Committee of 18!15 was proceeded on by last claim of the company for a loan of that of 1808, and the East India company two millions, said he had not encouraged denied the justice of the conclusions of the company in that application by any ibat Commitiee, and coinplained of their thing like a pledge of the sanction of the injustice in refusing to a imit their claim. government; nor by any opinion that the They therefore now came to ihe House country at large would favour it; but what for relief, and that was the basis of their the House of Commons would do upon a present petition. A claim was some time petition submitted to them he could not since made by a person of the post-office, say. It did, however, appear to him, that who complained of the injustice done to the company had a right to an opportunity him 20 years ago, and no objection was of having their claims fairly examined and made by the House to entertain and inequitably adjusted.

vestigate that claim : therefore be could Lord A. Hamilton expressed himself as- see no reason why this petition should not tonished at this petition. He bad formerly be received and attended to.—The motion objected to the grant of money to the was then agreed to. East India company, unless the exposition (MAJOR CARTWRIGHT'S PETITION FOR REof their affairs was laid before the House. FORM IN PARLIAMENT, &c.) Mr. Whitbread He now wished for that exposition, before said he held in his hand a Petition from a he granted any more. The whole ac- gentleman, who subscribed himself a Fret

· holder of England; but before he pledged against 85, to inquire into the criminalaca

himself to present the petition he had first cusation, brought by a member in his i read it over, in order to ascertain, whether place, against viscount Castlereagh and

there was in it such offensive matter: as another member, one, for having sold for Twould preclude him from presenting it. a sum of money a seat in the House, and

He found however, according to his judge the other, for a connivance at such sale :

ment, that it was altogether unexception- the petitioner was the more shocked at 7 able, and in its matter and terms every the said decision, as the viscount Castle

way decorous and respectful. He had reagh had, not long before, when under therefore no hesitation in doing what vas the examination of a Committee, confessed his duty in presenting that Petition to the an attempt to obtain for another place

House.—The petitioner, major Cartwright, man a seat in the House, by what to the .: was a gentleman of such well known pri- petitioner appears a double corruption, in

vate worth and respectability, that it bartering for it an East India writership, : would be the less necessary for him to ad- which an act of parliament had forbidden

vance any thing upon the score of that to be so disposed of; when seats in the i gentleman's individual claims to their at- House are bought and sold, the people,

tention. It was notorious, that he had their laws, and liberties, are bought and : spent a long and valued life in a steady sold : although there be not in human

and systematic pursuit of the great speech words by which the thoughts of national object of Parliamentary Reform; the petitioner on this the decision of the and that a better character with regard to House can be expressed, he cannot dismiss integrity and patriotism did not exist. the subject without saying, but disclaimThe right hon. gent. might not think asing any idea of being indecorous, that highly of the claims of this gentleman. such treatment of the people is beyond enIf so however, it must be clear, that he durance : after such a decision, and after differed from bis colleagues in the Ad- inquiry into the criminal charge in quesmiralty, who had promoted lieutenant tion has been resisted on the ground of the Cartwright, after being 48 years a lieute- sale of seats being as notorious as the nant in the British Navy, and at the age sight of the Sun at noon day, the petiof 70, made him a master and commander. tioner cannot remain silent on those truths With respect to the allegations contained of the constitution by which the dangerous in the Petition, with many of them he error of the decision of the House, the cordially concurred; upon some of them shocking profligacy of selling seats, and he doubted; and from a few of them he the audacity of vindicating it, must be dissented; as, however, they had been all made manifest : in order to this, the House stated in terms and in a manner unobjec. is requested to contemplate the three sevetionable, he could not allow his dissentral species of sovereignty with which we from a few positions in it to interfere with are familiar ; namely, first, the original what he considered his duty in presenting inherent and proper sovereignty which the petition.

necessarily resides in the entire mass of The Petition was then brought up the nation; secondly, the legislative sove. and read by the clerk at the table. It reignty, which, by delegation, resides in stated, “ That certain doctrines which a Parliament of King, Lords, and Commons have of late been maintained, and certain (being the most conspicuous and impordecisions which have of late been come to, | tant feature of that constitution by which in the House, have at length placed the our nation has consented to be governed ;)

long agitated question of a Reform in the and, thirdly, that executive sovereignty, " Representation of the people in Parlia- which, by a farther delegation, resides in

ment in a point of view, in which it can- the sole person of the King: if the petinot be rightly contemplated without af- tioner has correctly distinguished the litefording a demonstration that the sole alter- ral from the figurative significations of the native left our country is, Parliamentary word sovereignty, it will be discovered Reform, or National Ruin : how can the that a Commons House, after deducting petitioner speak the emotions of his heart; only the royal family, the temporal what language can express his sentiments ; nobles, and a few ecclesiastics, is intendwhen he thinks of the astonishing decision ed exclusively to represent and to perby which the House, in the night between sonify the national Majesty : it will also the 11th and 12th days of May 1809, ab- be discovered that sucha House of Parsolutely refused, by a majority of 310 liament is peculiarly the depository of the

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nation's liberty, the guardian of its pro- or other disloyal person, either by purchase perty, the organ of its will; and that, in or barter, by nomination or undue infact, it is the vital part of the state; where- fluence, seats a member in the House, be fore it ought, on every principle of reason by usurping a right of sovereignty to and political wisdom, in an especial man- which he has no title is guilty of High ner to be securely fenced around, fortified, Treason, and that every species of buying and at all points defended by the solemn and selling of seats, and the interference of sanctions, and the awful terrors of appro- any person whatever, for corrupting or priate laws against high treason; for for violating the freedom of election, is treason is a betraying of the state; and consequently High Treason, and ought as the first and the highest treason is that such to be gnarded against by express law: which is committed against the constitu- Such treasons are far more deadly than tion : But, instead of the majesty of the that which even strikes at the life of the nation being thus enthroned, instead of executive sovereign, as in law the king this palladium of its liberties being thus cannot die, so were one king to be slain guarded, the nation sees the House, which another must instantly succeed, nor would ought to be an object of universal confi. the throne be for a moment vacant, but a dence, respect, and veneration, exposed to murdered constitution has no successor, every abuse that can undermine, to every when that perishes there is national ruin, violation that can degrade, to every vice and the betrayed people drag ou in that can pollute, and destroy it: The peo- chains, in misery, in vice, and slavery, a ple see it abandoned, as a common prey, degraded existence : having then lived 10 to the factious borough patron and the see a distinct cbarge of selling a seat in trading adventurer, to the unprincipled the House met by a vote; and inquiry into sharper and the unfaithful minister, to the that treason borne down by a inajority, Asiatic nabob, and even to the hostile we have seen enough, had we seen nought European despot, who all know its seals else, to prove that the sole alternative left to be vendible wares, in which, through our injured and not respected country, the

agency of certain panders of corrup- is a radical reform in our representation tion, they can place their agents ; that the or a final extinction of our liberties : be ! agent of a French king's mistress had once tween taxation and representation there is a seat in the House is within the remem- in the English constitution and in the Eng. brance, as at the time it was within the lish mind an inseparable union, and Para knowledge, of the petitioner, and it is well liament, as it is easy to demonstrate, canknown that at one time the nabob of Arcot not, constitutionally, have duration beyond purchased for his agents seven or eight of one year : Wherefore the petitioner sothose seats: the learned Blackstone bath lemnly protests and appeals against all said, that with regard to the elections of treasons in the sale or barter, or disposal of knights citizens and burgesses, we may parliamentary seats, and against violating observé, that herein consists the exercise in any way the freedom of election, as of the democratic part of onr constitution, well as against the present unconstitutional for in a democracy there can be no exer- inequality of representation and long Parcise of sovereignty but by suffrage, which liaments, as the chief causes of all the is the declaration of the people's will; in calamities our country has at any time esall democracies therefore it is of the ut- perienced since the incomplete reformamost importance to regulate, by whom tion of our government, effected by the and in what manner the suffrages are to revolution in the year 1688, and as the be given, and the Athenians were so justly causes more especially of unnecessary war, jealous of this prerogative, that a stranger a state of things most prolific of patronage, who interfered in the assemblies of the abuse, and taxation, to wbuch such a depeople was punished by their laws with rangement of our system holds out 10 cordeath, because such a man was esteemed rupt ministers a perpetual, and, as it should guilty of High Treason, by usurping those seem, a resistless temptation : When it is rights of sovereignty to which he bad no said by any member of the House that a title; in England, where the people do Reform in Parliamentary Representation not debate in a collective body, but by cannot lighten the burthens of the nation, représentation, the exercise of this sove- the people must bave inded a new feelreignty consists in the choice of represen- ing, they must feel their understandings tatives; so the petitioner contends, that insulted, they know that their burubens where a minister of the crown, or a peer may be lightened, they know that the is

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