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what a state of whimsical contradiction does he | mony that happily reigns in all the departments stand! During the whole course of his admin- of the executive power? Is it the reciprocal afistration, and particularly during the course of fection that subsists between the government and the present war, every prediction that he has the people? Is it in the energy with which the made, every hope that he has held out, every people are eager to carry into execution the prophecy that he has hazarded, has failed; he measures of the administration, from the hearthas disappointed the expectations that he has felt conviction that they are founded in wisdom, raised; and every promise that he has given has favorable to their own freedom, and calculated proved to be fallacious; yet, for these very dec- for national happiness? Is it because our relarations, and notwithstanding these failures, we sources are flourishing and untouched, because have called him a wise minister. We have given our vigor is undiminished, because our spirit is him our confidence on account of his predictions, animated by success, and our courage by our and have continued it upon their failure. The glory? Is it because government have, in a only instance in which he really predicted what perilous situation, when they have been obliged has come to pass, we treated with stubborn in- to call upon the country for sacrifices, shown a credulity. In 1785, he pronounced the awful conciliating tenderness and regard for the rights prophecy, "Without a parliamentary reform the of the people, as well as a marked disinterestednation will be plunged into new wars; without ness and forbearance on their own parts, by which a parliamentary reform you can not be safe they have, in an exemplary manner, made their against bad ministers, nor can even good minis- own economy to keep pace with the increased ters be of use to you." Such was his predic- demands for the public service? Are these the tion; and it has come upon us. It would seem as sources of the strength of government? I forif the whole life of the right honorable gentleman, bear, sir, to push the inquiry. I forbear to alfrom that period, had been destined by Provi- lude more particularly to symptoms which no dence for the illustration of his warning. If we man can contemplate at this moment without were disposed to consider him as a real enthu- grief and dismay. It is not the declarations of siast, and a bigot in divination, we might be apt right honorable gentlemen that constitute the to think that he had himself taken measures for strength of a government. That government is the verification of his prophecy; for he might now alone strong which possesses the hearts of the exclaim to us, with the proud fervor of success, people; and will any man contend that we should "You see the consequence of not listening to the not be more likely to add strength to the state, oracle. I told you what would happen; it is if we were to extend the basis of the popular true that your destruction is complete; I have representation? Would not a House of Complunged you into a new war; I have exhausted mons freely elected be more likely to conciliate you as a people; I have brought you to the the support of the people? If this be true in the brink of ruin, but I told you beforehand what abstract, it is certainly our peculiar duty to look would happen; I told you that, without a reform for this support in the hour of difficulty. What in the representation of the people, no minister, man who foresees a hurricane is not desirous of however wise, could save you; you denied me my strengthening his house? Shall nations alone means, and you take the consequence !" be blind to the dictates of reason? Let us not, The right honorable gentleman speaks, sir, of sir, be deterred from this act of prudence by the Answer to the the strength of government. But what false representations that are made to us. France argument from symptom of strength does it exhibit? is the phantom that is constantly held out to terstrength of the Is it the cordiality of all the branches rify us from our purpose. Look at France; it government. of the national force ? Is it the har-will not be denied but that she stands on the

the supposed

The keenness of the sarcasm involved in these questions will be seen by adverting to the state of the country at this time, which was partially referred to in the Introduction. About a month before, the fleet at Spithead had broken out into a general mutiny, and, notwithstanding the measures of Parliament designed to remove their discontent, they had renewed the mutiny only four days previous to the delivery of this speech. The King, as head of the "executive power," felt so much pressed by the unpopularity of Mr. Pitt, that he was supposed to be seriously con templating a change of ministers. Mr. Fox also alludes to the wide-spread commercial embarrassments, the suspension of specie payments, the general distress which prevailed among the people, their loss of energy and spirit as the natural conse quence, the diminished resources of the government, and the victories of France on the Continent, which had left England to continue the war alone. In addition to this, he refers to the lavish expenditures of the government, and the favoritism shown to their friends and adherents.

broad basis of free representation. Whatever other views the government of France may exhibit, and which may afford just alarm to other nations, it can not be denied that her representative system has proved itself capable of vigorous exertion.

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Now, sir, though I do not wish you to imitate France; and though I am persuaded Argument for you have no necessity for any terror of such imitation being forced upon you, yet I say that you ought to be as ready to adopt the virtues as you are steady in averting from the country the vices of France. If it is clearly demonstrated that genuine representation alone can give solid power, and that in order to make government strong, the people must make the government, you ought to act on this grand maxim of political wisdom thus demonstrated, and call in the people, according to the original principles of your system, to the strength of your government. In doing

this, you will not innovate, you will not imitate. the benefit which the wisdom of our ancestors reIn making the people of England a constituent solved that it should confer on the British Conpart of the government of England, you do no stitution? With the knowledge that it can be more than restore the genuine edifice designed reinfused into our system without violence, withand framed by our ancestors. An honorable out disturbing any one of its parts, are we bebaronet spoke of the instability of democracies, come so inert, so terrified, or so stupid, as to hesand says that history does not give us the exam-itate for one hour to restore ourselves to the ple of one that has lasted eighty years. Sir, I am not speaking of pure democracies, and therefore his allusion does not apply to my argument. Eighty years, however, of peace and repose would be pretty well for any people to enjoy, and would be no bad recommendation of a pure democracy. I am ready, however, to agree with the honorable baronet, that, according to the experience of history, the ancient democracies of the world were vicious and objectionable on many accounts; their instability, their injustice, and many other vices, can not be overlooked. But surely, when we turn to the ancient democracies of Greece, when we see them in all the splendor of arts and of arms, when we see to what an elevation they carried the powers of man, it can not be denied that, however vicious on the score of ingratitude or injustice, they were, at least, the pregnant source of national strength, and that in particular they brought forth this strength in a peculiar manner in the moment of difficulty and distress. When we look at the democracies of the ancient world, we are compelled to acknowledge their oppression of their dependencies, their horrible acts of injustice and of ingratitude to their own citizens; but they compel us also to admiration by their vigor, their constancy, their spirit, and their exertions in every great emergency in which they were called upon to act. We are compelled to own that this gives a power of which no other form of government is capable. Why? Because it incorporates every man with the state, because it arouses every thing that belongs to the soul as well as to the body of man; because it makes every individual feel that he is fighting for himself, and not for another; that it is his own cause, his own safety, his own concern, his own dignity on the face of the earth, and his own interest in that identical soil which he has to maintain; and accordingly we find that whatever may be objected to them on account of the turbulency of the passions which they engendered, their short duration, and their disgusting vices, they have exacted from the common suffrage of mankind the palm of strength and vigor. Who that reads the Persian war-what boy, whose heart is warmed by the grand and sublime actions which the democratic spirit produced, does not find in this principle the key to all the wonders which were achieved at Thermopyla and elsewhere, and of which the recent and marvelous acts of the French people are pregnant examples? He sees that the principle of liberty only could create the sublime and irresistible emotion; and it is in vain to deny, from the striking illustration that our own times have given, that the principle is eternal, and that it belongs to the heart of man. Shall we, then, refuse to take the benefit of this invigorating principle? Shall we refuse to take

health which it would be sure to give? When we see the giant power that it confers upon others, we ought not to withhold it from Great Britain. How long is it since we were told in this House that France was a blank in the map of Europe, and that she lay an easy prey to any power that might be disposed to divide and plunder her? Yet we see that, by the mere force and spirit of this principle, France has brought all Europe to her feet. Without disguising the vices of France, without overlooking the horrors that have been committed, and that have tarnished the glory of the Revolution, it can not be denied that they have exemplified the doctrine that if you wish for power you must look to liberty. If ever there was a moment when this maxim ought to be dear to us, it is the present. We have tried all other means; we have had recourse to every stratagem that artifice, that influence, that cunning could suggest; we have addressed ourselves to all the base passions of the nation; we have addressed ourselves to pride, to avarice, to fear; we have awakened all the interested emotions; we have employed every thing that flattery, every thing that address, every thing that privilege could effect: we have tried to terrify them into exertion, and all has been unequal to our emer gency. Let us try them by the only means which experience demonstrates to be invincible; let us address ourselves to their love; let us identify them with ourselves; let us make it their own cause as well as ours! To induce them to come forward in support of the state, let us make them a part of the state; and this they become the very instant you give them a House of Commons which is the faithful organ of their will. Then, sir, when you have made them believe and feel that there can be but one interest in the country, you will never call upon them in vain for exertion. Can this be the case as the House of Commons is now constituted? Can they think so if they review the administration of the right honorable gentleman, every part of which must convince them that the present representation is a mockery and a shadow?

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There has been, at different times, a great deal of dispute about virtual representa- A real and not tion. Sir, I am no great advocate a virtual repre of these nice subtleties and special people demand pleadings on the Constitution; much duct of recent depends upon appearance as well as reality. I know well that a popular body of five hundred and fifty-eight gentlemen, if truly independent of the Crown, would be a strong barrier to the people. But the House of Commons should not only be, but appear to be, the representatives of the people; the system should satisfy the prej. udices and the pride, as well as the reason of the people; and you never can expect to give that

just impression which a House of Commons a scandal on our character, which not merely ought to make on the people, until you derive it degrades the House of Commons in the eyes of unequivocally from them. It is asked why gen- the people; it does more, it undermines the very tlemen who were against a parliamentary re- principles of integrity in their hearts, and gives form on former occasions should vote for it now. a fashion to dishonesty and imposture. They Ten years ago men might reasonably object to hear of a person receiving four or five thousand any reform of the system, who ought now, in my pounds as the purchase-money of a seat for a opinion, to be governed by motives that are irre-close borough; and they hear the very man who sistible in its favor. They might look back with received and put the money into his pocket make something like satisfaction and triumph to former a vehement speech in this House against bribery! Parliaments, and console themselves with the re- They see him move for the commitment to prisflection that, though in moments of an ordinary on of a poor, unfortunate wretch at your bar, kind, in the common course of human events, Par- who has been convicted of taking a single guinea liament might abate from its vigilance, and give for his vote in the very borough, perhaps, where ministers a greater degree of confidence than he had publicly and unblushingly sold his influwas strictly conformable with representative duty ence, though, under the horrors of a war which -yet there was a point beyond which no artifice he had contributed to bring upon the country, that of power, no influence of corruption, could carry miserable guinea was necessary to save a family them; that there were barriers in the British from starving! Sir, these are the things that parConstitution over which the House of Commons alyze you to the heart; these are the things that never would leap, and that the moment of dan- vitiate the whole system; that spread degenerager and alarm would be the signal for the return cy, hypocrisy, and sordid fraud over the counof Parliament to its post. Such might have been try, and take from us the energies of virtue, and the reasoning of gentlemen on the experience of sap the foundations of patriotism and spirit. The former Parliaments; and with this rooted trust system that encourages so much vice ought to in the latent efficacy of Parliament, they might be put an end to; and it is no argument, that have objected to any attempt that should cherish because it lasted a long time without mischief, hopes of a change in the system itself. But what it ought now to be continued when it is found to will the same gentlemen say after the experi- be pernicious; it has arisen to a height that deence of the last and the present Parliament? feats the very end of government; it must sink What reliance can they have for any one vestige under its own weakness. And this, sir, is not a of the Constitution that is yet left to us? Or case peculiar to itself, but inseparable from all rather, what privilege, what right, what securi- human institutions. All the writers of eminence ty, has not been already violated? "Quid intac-upon forms of government have said that, in order tum nefasti liquimus ?" And seeing that in no one instance have they hesitated to go the full length of every outrage that was conceived by the minister; that they have been touched by no scruples, deterred by no sense of duty, corrected by no experience of calamity, checked by no admonition or remonstrance; that they have never made out a single case of inquiry; that they have never interposed a single restraint upon abuse; may not gentlemen consistently feel that the reform which they previously thought unnecessary is now indispensable?

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We have heard to-day, sir, all the old arguments about honor on the one side beto be derived ing as likely as honor on the other; sonal honor that there are good men on both sides of the House; that a man upon the tives. one side of the House as well as upon the other, may be a member for a close borough; and that he may be a good man, sit where he may. All this, sir, is very idle language; it is not the question at issue. No man disputes the existence of private and individual integrity; but, sir, this is not representation. If a man comes here as the proprietor of a burgage tenure, he does not come here as the representative of the people. The whole of this system, as it is now carried on, is as outrageous to morality as it is pernicious to just government; it brings

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to preserve them, frequent recurrence must be
had to their original principle. This is the opin-
ion of Montesquieu, as well as of Machiavelli.
Gentlemen will not be inclined to dispute the
authority of the latter, on this point at least; and
he says, that without this recurrence they grow
out of shape, and deviate from their general form.
It is only by recurring to former principles that
any government can be kept pure and unabused.
But, say gentlemen, if any abuses have crept into
our system, have we not a corrective whose effi-
cacy has been proved, and of which every body
approves? Have we not Mr. Grenville's bill, as
an amendment to the Constitution? An amend-
ment it is; an amendment which acknowledges
the deficiency. It is an avowal of a defective
practice. It is a strong argument for reform,
because it would not be necessary if the plan of
representation were sufficient. But, sir, there is
a lumping consideration, if I may be Danger from
allowed the phrase, which now more
than ever ought to make every man a ministry.
convert to parliamentary reform; there is an an-
nual revenue of twenty-three millions sterling
collected by the executive government from the
people. Here, sir, is the despot of election; here
is the new power that has grown up to a mag-
nitude, that bears down before it every defensive
barrier established by our ancestors for the pro-
tection of the people. They had no such tyrant
to control; they had no such enemy to oppose.
Against every thing that was known, against

the patronage of the

every thing that was seen, they did provide; but | to that of war have fallen into a severer calamiit did not enter into the contemplation of those ty than ourselves? Does he mean to say that who established the checks and barriers of our Sweden, or that Denmark, has suffered more by system, that they would ever have to stand observing an imprudent neutrality, than England against a revenue of twenty-three millions a or Austria by wisely plunging themselves into a year! The whole landed rental of the kingdom war? Or does he mean to insinuate that Prusis not estimated at more than twenty-five mill-sia has been the victim of its impolicy, in getting ions a year, and this rental is divided and dis-out of the conflict on the first occasion? If this persed over a large body, who can not be sup- be the interpretation of the right honorable genposed to act in concert, or to give to their pow- tleman's argument, I do not believe that he will er the force of combination and unity. But it is get many persons to subscribe to the justice of said, that though the government is in the receipt his comparison. But probably he alludes to the of a revenue of twenty-three millions a year, it fate of Holland. If this be the object to which has not the expenditure of that sum, and that its he wishes to turn our eyes, he does it unjustly. influence ought not to be calculated from what Holland acted under the despotic mandate of that it receives, but from what it has to pay away. right honorable gentleman; and Holland, whatI submit, however, to the good sense, and to the ever she has suffered, whatever may be her prespersonal experience of gentlemen who hear me, ent situation, lays her calamities to the charge of if it be not a manifest truth that influence de- England. I can not, then, admit of the argument, pends almost as much upon what they have to that our situation is comparatively better than receive as upon what they have to pay? And that of the nations who altogether kept out of if this be true of the influence which individuals the war; or, being drawn into it in the first inderive from the rentals of their estates, and from stance, corrected their error, and restored to the expenditure of that rental, how much more themselves the blessings of peace. so is it true of government, who, both in the re- I come now to consider the specific proposition ceipt and expenditure of this enormous revenue, of my honorable friend, and the argu. are actuated by one invariable principle-that ments that have been brought against used toy of extending or withholding favor in exact pro-it. Let me premise, that however portion to the submission or resistance to their averse gentlemen may be to any specific propo measures, which the individuals make? Com-sition of reform, if they are friendly to the prin pare this revenue, then, with that against which our ancestors were so anxious to protect us, and compare this revenue with all the bulwarks of our Constitution in preceding times, and you must acknowledge that, though those bulwarks were sufficient to protect us in the days of King William and Queen Anne, they are not equal to the enemy we have now to resist.

Benefits to

But it is said, what will this reform do for us? Will it be a talisman sufficient to rebe expected trieve all the misfortunes which we from reform. have incurred? I am free to say that it would not be sufficient, unless it led to reforms of substantial expense, and of all the abuses that have crept into our government. But at the same time, I think it would do this, I think it would give us the chance, as I said before, of recovery. It would give us, in the first place, a Parliament vigilant and scrupulous, and that would insure to us a government active and economical. It would prepare the way for every rational improvement, of which, without disturbing the parts, our Constitution is susceptible. It would do more; it would open the way for exertions infinitely more extensive than all that we have hitherto made. The right honorable gentleman says that we have made exertions. True. But what are they in comparison with our necessity? The right honorable gentleman says, that when we consider our situation compared with that of countries which have taken another line of conduct, we ought to rejoice. I confess, sir, that I am at a loss to conceive what country the right honorable gentleman has in view in this comparison. Does he mean to assert that the nations who preferred the line of neutrality

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ciple, they ought to vote for the present question,
because it is merely a motion for leave to bring
in a bill. An opposition to such a motion comes
with a very ill grace from the right honorable
gentleman, and contradicts the policy for which
he strenuously argued. In 1785, he moved for
leave to bring in a bill on a specific plan, and
he fairly called for the support of all those who
approved of the principle of reform, whatever
might be the latitude of their ideas on the sub-
ject; whether they wished for more or less than
his proposition, he thought that they should agree
to the introduction of the bill, that it might be
freely discussed in the committee, in hopes that
the united wisdom of the House might shape out
something that would be generally acceptable.
Upon this candid argument I, for one, acted.
did not approve of his specific proposition, and
yet I voted with him for leave to bring in the
bill. And this, sir, has generally happened to
me on all the former occasions, when proposi-
tions have been made. Though I have constant-
ly been a friend to the principle, I have never
before seen a specific plan that had my cordial
approbation. That which came nearest, and of
which I the least disapproved, was the plan of
an honorable gentleman who is now no more
[Mr. Flood]. He was the first person who sug-
gested the idea of extending what might be
proper to add to representation, to housekeepers,
as to a description of persons the best calculated
to give efficacy to the representative system.
My honorable friend's plan, built upon this idea,
is an improvement of it, since it is not an at-
tempt even to vary the form and outline, much
less to new-model the representation of the peo-

It leaves the

sentation,

versal suffrage,

deprecated.

ple; it keeps every thing in its place; it neither | land. This, sir, was the opinion of Sergeant varies the number, nor changes the name, nor Glanville, and of one of the most celebrated comdiverts the course of any part of our system; it mittees of which our parliamentary history has to corrects without change; it extends without de- boast; and this, in my opinion, is the safest line struction of any established right; it restores of conduct you can adopt. But it is said that simply what has been injured by abuse, and re- extending the right of voting to housekeepers instates what time has moldered away; no man may, in some respects, be compared This does not can have a right to complain of genuine prop- to universal suffrage. I have always involve uni erty assailed; no habit even, no mode of think-deprecated universal suffrage, not so which is to be ing, no prejudice, will be wounded; it traces much on account of the confusion back the path of the Constitution from which we to which it would lead, as because I think that have wandered, but it runs out into no new di- we should in reality lose the very object which rection. we desire to obtain; because I think it would, in its nature, embarrass and prevent the deliberative voice of the country from being heard. I do not think that you augment the deliberative body of the people by counting all the heads; but that, in truth, you confer on individuals, by this means, the power of drawing forth numbers, who, without deliberation, would implicitly act upon their will. My opinion is, that the best plan of representation is that which shall bring into activity the greatest number of independent voters; and that that is defective which would bring forth those whose situation and condition take from them the power of deliberation. I can have no conception of that being a good plan of election which should enable individuals to bring regiments to the poll. I hope gentlemen will not smile if I endeavor to illustrate my position by referring to the example of the other sex. In all the theories and projects of the most absurd speculation, it has never been suggested that it would be advisable to extend the elective suffrage to the female sex. And yet, justly respecting, as we must do, the mental powers, the acquirements, the discrimination, and the talents, of the women of England, in the present improved state of society-knowing the opportunities which they have for acquiring knowledgethat they have interests as dear and as important as our own, it must be the genuine feeling of every gentleman who hears me, that all the sunerior classes of the female sex of England must be more capable of exercising the elective suffrage with deliberation and propriety than the uninformed individuals of the lowest class of men to whom the advocates of universal suffrage would extend it. And yet, why has it never been imagined that the right of election should be extended to women? Why! but because by the law of nations, and perhaps also by the law of nature, that sex is dependent on ours; and because, therefore, their voices would be governed by the relation in which they stand in society. Therefore it is, sir, that, with the exception of companies, in which the right of voting merely affects property, it has never been in the contemplation of the most absurd theorists to extend the elective franchise to the other sex. The desideratum to be obtained is independent voters; and that, I say, would be a defective system that should bring regiments of soldiers, of servants,

A noble Lord says that the county representation must be good, that it must be county repre- approved of; be it so this proposes to leave the county representation where it is; I wish so to leave it. I think that representation ought to be of a compound nature. The counties may be considered as territorial representation, as contradistinguished from popular; but, in order to embrace all that I think necessary, I certainly would not approve of any farther extension of this branch of the representation. It has been asked whether the rights of corporations ought not to be maintained. That is a matter for farther discussion. I have no hesitation in saying that my opinion leans the other way; but if it should be thought so, it may be so modified in the bill. There is no reasonable objection to its introduction on account of our not now agreeing with all its parts. My honorable friend, with all his abilities, and all the industry with which he has digested his proposition, does not presume to offer it as a perfect plan. He does not call upon you to adopt all his notions, nor does he think that every part of his plan will be found to quadrate with the abstract principles of representation. He looks to what is practicable in the condition in which we are placed, not to what a new people might be tempted to hazard. My opinion, however unimportant it may be, goes with my honorable friend. I think there is enough of enterprise and vigor in the plan to restore us to health, and not enough to run us into disorder. I agree with him, because I am firmly of opinion, with all the philosophical writers on the subject, that when a country is sunk into a situation of apathy and abuse, it can only be recovered by recurring to first principles.

and extends the

Now, sir, I think that, acting on this footing, to extend the right of election to houseright of voting to keepers is the best and most advisaall householders. ble plan of reform. I think, also, that it is the most perfect recurrence to first principles-I do not mean to the first principles of society, nor the abstract principles of representation-but to the first known and recorded principles of our Constitution. According to the early history of England, and the highest authorities on our parliamentary Constitution, I find this to be the case. It is the opinion of the celebrated Glanville, that in all cases where no particular right intervenes, the common law right of paying scot and lot was the right of election in the

Those who paid parish taxes according to their ability, were said to "pay scot and lot."

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