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Mr. Rose stated, that the paper he had brought up the report of the Army Estiwas his own property, as it was a case for mates. Upon the first resolution being which he himseli paid, and that the origi- read, nal ought to be in the treasury.
Sir James Pulteney rose. He said, that Mr. Ruthven asked where the original considering the lateness of the hour, he was, in what office, and what denumina- should confine himself to a very few obLion ?
servations. As to the new military sysMr. Rose did not know what particular tem being productive of an immediate supplace, as he was not keeper of the papers. ply for the army, it was now proved that The motion for the grant of 10,000 men it had not had that effect; and although was agreed to, as were the following mo- the right hon. gent. (Mr. Windham) might tions : 210,5001. for wages for ditto, for not have been very sanguine as to the nun1 3 months ; 247,0001, for victualling, &c.; ber that it might raise, yet it must be sup390,0001. for wear and tear of ships; posed that the advocates of the system did 32,5001, for ordinance; 1,135,4311. for the expect that it would at least produce some ordinaries of the navy; 2,134.9031. for increase ; whereas, on the contrary, it apbuilding ships in merchants' yards, and peared by the estimates that it had occaother extra expences; 1,500,0001. for the sioned a diminution. In order to make hire of transports ; 300,0001. for sick and room for this system, which had only prowounded seamen ; 500,0001., for prisoners duced 5000 men in a year, we had repealed of war.
a former system which bad produced 15,000. Mr. Vansittart moved the following However his majesty's ministers might sums for miscellaneous service: 6,8531. hope that this measure would ultimately for the superintendance of aliens; 12,0001. be benefcial, he must ask them, did not for defraying the expences of the public they consider that some supply was necesoffice in Bow Street ; 51,3501. for con- sary for the army in the present year, and victs at home; 15,0001. for contingencies whether any of their measures had a tenin the offices of the three secretaries of dency to procure that supply? The hon. state ; 12,0001. for messengers for the secretary at war had contented bimself secretaries' offices, &c.; 175,0001. for fo- with saying, no bad effects have been yet reign and secret service money; 20,0001. felt from this measure ; he thought, howefor law charges ; 3,0001. for the expence ver, that he should have gone a little farof prosecuting those concerned in the for- ther, and shewed that some good effects gery of coin, &c.; 11,6001. for sheriffs of had been produced by it. As to the traincounties to defray the extra expence incur-ing bill, it was a measure he extremely red in the conviction of felons, &c. ;wished to be carried into effect. If ever 140,1991, for the relief of French, Dutch, there was a moinent in which the measure and Corsican emigrants, and also of Ame- was necessary, it was no less necessary at rican loyalists ; 1,4327. 13s. 6d. to pay the present moment. The danger was 1100 the balance advanced for ditto in 1806; to be despised because it was soinewhat 1,3361. for the relief of poor dissenting distant; but, on the contrary, we should ministers, and French refugees; 1,8981. take that opportunity of being fully prepafor the use of a certain class of ministers ; red to meet it when it should come. If the 1,9341. for stationery, &c, to the court of bill ever was a good one, it ought now to exchequer, &c.; 5,2101. for the salaries be carried into effect; but if, in the opiand other expences of certain offices con- nion of parliament, it was a bad bill, it nected with huth houses of parliament : ought to be repealed. As to the volun39,7601. to defray the expence of certain teers, although it had been said by a noble improvements that have been made, and lord that they were as numerous now as at are still to be made in the buildings of both any former time, yet it was notorious that houses of parliament; 11,8001, to make there was by no means the same attendgood the vole of last session for delraying ance at drills aud musters that there was the expence of certain additions to the formerly, and that consequently the furce houses of parliament, and also to that of the could not be so effective. speaker; 4,9931. for paying the expence of Sir John Doyle rose and addressed the military roads in North Britain. The se- house as follows.--Sir; I admit that it veral inotions were agreed to, the house would be much more convenient lo agree to resumed, and the report was ordered to be the adjournment proposed by the hon. brought up on Monday.
member (Mr. Rose), though it certainly [ALMY ESTIMATES.] Mr. Hobhouse does not come will the best grace from this side of the house (the general spoke began by cutting off the resources of its new from the opposition bench), for, in their long ally; whereas the plan of the right hon. calculations, they forgot to calculate time. Secretary is calculated to produce a good (A laugh.) Before I observe upon what regular income, without racking the tenanhas fallen in the course of this discussion, try. It appears from the statement of the I wish, sir, to account for my addressing noble lord (Howick), that since it has beyou from this side of the house, differing gun to operate, it has produced more men, so materially as I do upon this subject for a similar period, than the Parish bill from the gentlemen who usually sit here. and ordinary recruiting put together, even I have not, in truth, come into their camp without including the enlistments at head to spy the nakedness of the land ; but speak quarters, and the desertions considerably from this side for reasons, perhaps, simi- diminished ; and here I must say, that the lar to those of some of my neighbours ; right hon. secretary has not treated bis because we cannot get good places at measure so well as the measure has treated the other side. (This created a general him, by having lost so much time in carryburst of laughter throughout the house.] ing it into effect. I will not follow the noI perfectly cuncur with my hon. friend ble lord (Castlereagh) in his infinite series who spoke last (sir James Pulteney), that of diverging calculation, which, rapidly acwe ought to have an angmented, a well- cumulating in its progress, was to overorganised, and well-disciplined army; that whelm the country with the expence of we should allow no relaxation of our efforts providing for its brave and worn-out defento obtain that desirable object; because I ders. A calculation that would deprive feel that the perils which call for that army the veteran of a chance of spending, in calm are by no means abated; that although repose, the evening of that day be had dedanger is at a distance, it is not at an end. dicated to the service of his country, and But yet I. differ most materially from my bring “bis grey hairs with sorrow to the hon. friend as to the means of providing grave." A calculation which stooped to the army we require. I differ from him, visit the truckle-bed of infirmity, in Chelparticularly, as to his opinion respecting sea avd Kilmaiuham hospitals. A calculathe Additional Force act. That act ap-tion which wanted nothing but just data to pears to me to have done almostevery thing stand upon ; thereby following the mode but what it professed to have in view. Wben of demonstration ascribed by Mr. Locke it was active, it was mischievous; when it to a certain class of unhappy people, who was inactive only, it was tolerable. After always reason right from wrong principles. 18 months trial, it was found defective,|(4 laugh.)—I am perfectly willing to pay but then ministers were just going to mend every tribute to the eloquence of the noble it. This puts nie in mind of one of our lord, and his right hon. friend. I cannot, poets, who was very deformed, and who however, but deeply lament, that it should, was in the habit of exclaiming, “ God mend at such a moment, be employed in obstrucme !" and having once uttered it before a ting that unanimity so essential to the incountry clown" mend thee!" quoth terests of the country, and which gentlemen Hodge, “it would be easier to make a do- themselves profess to have so much at zen new ones, than mend such an ill-for-heart; for, surely, there never was a pemed one as thou art.” So it may be said of riod in the annals of our bistory, when this act. (A laugh.) The time they propo- unanimity was so imperiously demanded : sed for the amendment, reminds me of the for a nation, no more than a house, divided story of a certain priest's maid, who, when against itself, can long stand. But I am found fault with for having omitted to do not so romantic as to suppose that politiany tbing, her constant reply was, “ I was cal hostility shall be for ever buried in objust going to do it.” The priest, to try how livion. I had only hoped it would have far she would carry her excuses, asked her, been allowed to sleep, till the great object why she had not washed his books and pa- of national security was perfect and compers ? “Lord, sir," replied she," I was just plete. I am aware, sir, that in a free going to do it.” (A loud laugh.) In this country like this, an opposition is a wholethey (the late ministers) seemed to have some check upon ministers: if so, the resembled duke Wharton's puppies, who greater the talents in opposition, the more never opened their eyes till they were effectual the check. Now, as every man in the act of drowning. The Parish bill must admit the present opposition to posa was to aid the ordinary recruiting; but in sess great talents, it follows, as a natural this it followed the French example, and corollary, that, the longer the present gentlemen remain in that state, the better for the prine minister of France, gave a faci. their country. (A laugh.) But, to give them lity in his case, that would not have applied greater weight, I would humbly recom- to other ministers, however capable. Thus mend they should adopt the words, as comnienced the negociation; in its whole they have done the arguments, of M. Tal. progress, it was conducted, on the part of leyrand, and make them serve as a proe England, in the true spirit of peace, and mium to their speeches against the treasu- with a sincerity which has always characry bench" nous ne vous demandons terized this country. Its rupture was Oc. rien;" in plain English, “we seek for no casioned by the duplicity of a goverument, thing that you possess." (A laugh.) The whose fidelity to its engagements is meanoble lord alluded to the negociation, sured by no other standard tban that of which I ain the more surprised at, after the its own iinmediale interest. If gentlemen unanimous vote of the house, approving of were serious in their professions of unanithe measures that had been taken to up- mity, here was a favourable opportunity to hold the character of the country in that display it; for it was uot a question of transaction. The proposition originated party, but ove between France and Enwith France—the negociation commenced gland, to be tried at the tribunal of the under auspices the most propitious. At nations of the world, and it was essential the head of the foreign department was to the character of the country, that that minister (Mr. Fox) whose loss the its good faith should stand contrasted to nation $o justly deplores a man who, public view, with the chicane and subamid the endowments of a mighty mind, tilty of its wily opponent. Whatever ditwas peculiarly gifted with those qualities ferences of opinion may prevail in this which fitted him for negociation in dificult house, upon the various topics generally times. To ą vast, comprehensive, and brought before it, there are two points cultivated understanding, he joined the upon which I cannot anticipate much dimost intimate knowledge of the various versity of seniiment; the one, the ininterests of Europe, a suavity of mammer, creased danger to which this country is and a spirit of conciliation, engaged to exposed by recent events upon the contireign mipisters to treat, while his probity nent; the other, the necessity of meeting and known honour insured the confidence that danger with the spirit and energy of their masters, Devoid of guile, he had befitting a brave people, determined to be nothing equivocal in his conduct-nothing free. With respect to the danger, I believe anbiguous in his language. He moved there are few sceptics ; but least of all can straight onward to his object, without they be found in the ranks of those who turning aside into the winding ways of composed the late administration ; for if crooked policy or left-handed wisdom. the alarm they spread throughout the land, There was nothing counterfeit in im was then well founded, in what a multiplied his affability flowed from the heart is ratio is the danger now increased ? But if natural greatness required not the aid of any man doubt of the danger, let him look assumed arrogance to give himn cunsequence; at the extent of coast from the Adriatic to he was tou great to be baughty, too wise the Baltic ; the innense population; the to be cunning. He was one of the few numerous well-disciplined and well-com. statesmen who knew the value of that manded armies; and let him consider, that adage, which, though homely, is true in all these resources are at the uncontrolled politics as in morals, that “ honesty is the disposal of that man who has sworn upon best policy." Far be it froin me to at- his altars eternal hatred to Britain. But I tempt his praise; it would require powers learn, that an idea prevails, that this coungigantic as his own to do hini justice. try is secure as long as she preserves her suWere he living. I should be silent. I never periority at sea. No opinion more natureceived favours at his hand, I leave it ral to be formed; no opinion more dangeto those who have, to treat bis memory rous to be relied on. If this were true, lightly. I speak of hiin, as a man who then indeed might every man in the nation Joves his country must do, whilst deplo- lay his head upon his pillow in perfect sering its brightest ornament. (Hear! hear!) curity. It is impossible to value more, If Mr. Fox were qualified for negociation higbly, or to feel more proudly than I do, in general, circumstances rendered him the brilliant achievements of our gallant peculiarly so for that with France. His tars. I know, that when the fleets of character stood high on the continent, as France are met by those of England, vicat home; and a former acquaintance with tory is no longer doubtful; and that the
only question now asked by a British com- fehis measure of limiting the term of mander is, not, what is the force, but, service, would have no effect upon the where is the enemy ---But knowing all this, ainds of soldiers, or those likely to becoino I also know that the sea is wide, and that so. Now, I have in my hand, sir, two the elements are fickle : and ministers papers that will shew the futility of an obmust be endowed with supernatural pow. servation so opposite to common reason. ers; they must “side in the whirlwind, | The one is the return of a battalion of reand direct the storm ;" they must be able served men, in which, for the six months to tell the sea, " Thus far shalt thou yo, previous to the new measure, 147 men enand no farther; here shall thy proud gaged for general service, while 334, engawaves be stayed." All this they must ged in the six months subsequent to his do, before I can trust the safety of my measure. The other is a still stronger case; country merely to its superiority at sea. for seven months prior to this change, only It is true, the ports of the enemy are one man, ont of a battalion of 400 men, blockaded; and, as it is affectedly expres- extended his services'; but in the month sed, their fleets are hermetically sealed up, when the right hon. secretary's plan was As long as tliis blockade continues, and explained to the battalion, 264 immedithe seals remain unbroken, the country may ately turned out; thus polling, as it were be safe; but the same gale that forces our by acclamation, for his measure. (Hear! fleets to seek shelter in their own' poris, hear!) These were good men, fit to be solgives free egress to those of the enemy to diers, capable of a military life, and not escape from theirs. What has been, may such as were received into the army, under be; none can forget that the expedition the Parish bill; for the recruits obtained under Hoche was prevented from landing under the right bon. secretary's measure in Ireland, solely by the interposition of a are not only superior in quantity, but betprovidential hurricane. Now, as I have ter in quality, than those furnished by that. not learned that ministers have laid in a notable bill. There has been a great difstock of spare hurricanes, or that they have ference in the desertions also, as a right entered into any commercial treaty with hon. gent. has observed. But perhaps it the old ladies at Lapland, who are said to is not quite correct to set down as deserttraflick in this article; I cannot concludeers all those who received bounty under the country safe, merely because it is supe- the Parish bill, and were never heard of rior at sea. But in stating the danger, 1 more--for such fellows never joined, or trust none will imagine that I mean to create meant to join any corps, and therefore dismay or despondency. I know that it could not strictly be called deserters, but the danger is great, the spirit and resour- rubbers; and I am not sure that it would ces of the nation are equal to meet it; but be quite incorrect to consider those as acI wish to alarm to vigilance, to excite to complices who held out such temptations caution, and to rouse into action, the to them. A great part of those, whom energies of the country, for the salvation of this bill collected, were, in fact, unfit for the country. But above all things, I am an-service; even where they were honest xious that we should not slumber under enough to shew a disposition to serve. the shade of false security, “ lest in ibat Huw nany of them have I seen, each bring sleep we meet death;" Having shewn a wife and six children'! The old adaye that governhieut has not been able to re-says, that it requires 9 tailors to make a store the blessings of peace, and that the man': but 19 of the fellows I have alluded continuation of the war is inevitable; ha-10, would not make a soldier. Thet were ving stated the danger as it appears to really for the most part such as Falstaff me, and having pointed out the fallaưy of would be ashamed to march through Coo relying solely upon our vaval strength, ventry. You would in fact imagine that splendid as its renown is, I now come to the they were raised by a general gaol delivery other arm of our national-force; so essen- of the nation, and a discharge of all the patial in either of the supposed cases. Therish workhouses. It was, in short, taking excellence of our present army is acknow- a heavy load off the parishes, and transa ledged by every man in the nation, and it ferriitg it to the army. The force whichi lives in the recollection of the enemies of is entitled to our confidence, must have the our country: we interior to the abit, the shape, the character, the soul of eneiny in numerical force alone. Ballan army. I lay it down as a proposition, to return to the plan of the right hon.incontrovertible as any thtorem in Eusecretary It has been remarked, thaclid, tbat whatever weapon the enemy as
sails you with, he must be met by one of spirit, would have fair play. Besides, it is equal efficiency. If the eneny were to in- the species of force, in which we are the vade you with the trained bands of Paris, Imost deficient and which is peculiarly apshould be content to meet him with the plicable to an inclosed country. But pertrained bands of London. But as he will haps I ought to apologise for speaking so come, if he can, with a regular disciplined much upon a military subject, because arıny, inflated on the one hand by recent those who are not military, speak most victories on the continent, and impelled learnedly upon it. Although, in other caon the other by the prospective plunder of ses, men seek to know the practice as well this country, he must be met by a regular as theory of a subject, before they vendisciplined army, prepared to conquer or to ture to advise upon it, at least it is but nadie. But by this allusion, although it na- tural that others should enquire, whether turally induces a reference to the volun- they have that knowledge, before their adleers, I would by no means be understood vice is taken. We generally conclude men to speak lightly of that meritorious body. to have some knowledge of their own pro1. admired, as much as any man, that bril- fession in the ordinary concerns of life. We liant effusion of national spirit and valour, don't send our watch to be mended by a wbich burst forth so nobly in the hour of shoemaker; unless, indeed, we inverted danger; and, I have no doubt, that the Horace's rule of “ Omnis sapiens est sutor;" manifestation of that spirit made a very pow- but even in that case, bis further directions erful impression on the enemy. It is not, should be observed, “ Ne sutor ultra crepihowever, inconsistent with the respect and dam.” (Hear! hear!) But I will not regard which I always entertained for those proceed farther upon this topic at present, gallant men, to express my disapprobation as other opportunities will occur for discusof the system under which they were ori- sing it. And now let me implore gentleginally organized and trained. A great men to recollect, that the eyes, not only of deal of unnecessary instruction and inap- this country, but of Europe, and of the propriate disciplme was, at the outset, at- whole civilized world, are anxiously fixed tempted to be communicated to them. It upon the proceedings of the British see did happen to me in America to meet with nate, as the last remaining prop of expiring a circunstance from which I derived much liberty. The hopes and destinies of Euusetul information on this head. About rope hang upon your decisions: then let it 150 recruits were sent out to the regiment not be said, that the imperial parliament, of which I was adjutant; I immediately forgetting the great objects of its dignified proceeded to have them taught, secundum character, shall occupy itself with the little artem, eyes to the right, toes out, &c. But disputes of party politics, contending bow I was interrupted in my course by the ina- to get this man in, or to get that man out jor, who was a very sensible, intelligent of the government, instead of employing mau, and who told me, that “ I began at all its energies to keep out the arch-enemy the wrong end." ' I accordingly changed of all legitimate governments. We are iny course, and taught my men to manage engaged in no ordinary warfare: the firelock. This was the major's advice, tend with no common enemy, unless, in. who thought it most necessary, particularly deed, the common enemy of inankind. He when time pressed, that the men should has sworn vengeance. Your sins are of a learn to fire at the enemy, and this proved nature he cannot forgive. You are loyal, to be wise, for in three weeks after they content, and free; you aggravate these arrived, these recruits had to meet the ene- crimes, you resolve to continue free. Your iny. Now the volunteers ought to have punishment would be extirpation. He been so instructed, for the invasion by the comes not for conquest only, neither would eneiny was almost daily expected at the pillage satiate his wrath. Desolation and very time that a kind of discipline was destruction are his objects ;-the Delenda commenced, which they could not learn Carthago he applies to you. The existence for months, and which was unnecessary of all you hold dear is at stake-property, even if they could. They would be ex-liberty, life. Be but unanimous—banish tremely useful as auxiliaries to our army, party dissentions, let every band and heart if the enemy landed, particularly from the be joined in the common cause. Be but* nature of the country, and their local | vigilant-let him advance he will be met knowledge, were they merely trained as by free men, determined to lose their liber. light troops; in which case, the physical ties but with their lives. (Loud cries of powers of the individual, and his patriotic hear ! hear!)