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but this was not the law. For the former with long notice of the plan, and with the 12 years, for the latter 7, was the oath of most urgent necessity for its precipitate service required, and it was not decent that adoption ? Both the noble lord and the ministers should anticipate the decisions of learned gent. bad declared that vo steps parliament, and undertake for such altera- had been taken whatever to secure this tions in the term of the service. Then the important acquisition of British courage. wording of the conditions on which the ser- His (lord Howick’s) answer to this was, rice was to be obtained, was careless and a positive denial of the neglect so charged inaccurate. If a man obtained the bounty, upon ministers. The moment the capture and it afterwards appeared he was subject was made known here, supplies were proto sudden paroxysms, or any disorder that vided to support it. A lide-of-battle ship rendered him unfit for duty; he was to be started with the first fair wind for that allowed to retire with all the benefits of purpose, and troops were ready to depart long 'service; such were to be the fruits of at the time the report of the capture was his own fraud. The correction of this pal- received, and they actually set sail in Ocpable error should not be long delayed. tober; yet he would not conceal that a As he should have other opportunities of pressing emergency arose to lead to the commenting on the general topics of this change in the destination of that force. debate, he should not, at this time, tres- He had explained thus much on this subpass further on the indulgence of the com- ject, because it was one on which gentlemittee.

men might reasonably expect some explaLord Howick said, that after the able nation, although it had been unnecessarily statement of his right hon. friend (Mr. introduced into the present debate. The Windbam), he should not have occasion bon, and learned gent. enquired, what had to enter much at length into the subject. been done by his majesty's servants, after He would first advert to an objection which all the expectations they had raised by their had lately been often started, and as often, magnificent exhibitions of future successes? he trusted, satisfactorily answered. Mi-" Compare," said he, “ what you have nisters were accused of not having resorted done with what we had promised; we ento the necessary means for the protection gaged to supply 25 or 26,000 men under of Buenos Ayres. The answer given to the former mode of recruiting.” It was this charge was, that 'no supplies could discreet, both in the hon, and learned gent. bave arrived in time to prevent the re-cap- and in the noble lord to confine themture, if, indeed, that unfortunate event selves to what they had promised, and not had happened ; and this was the only pro- to diverge to what they had performed. per reply to such an accusation. The But even with this prudent limitation noble lord (Castlereagh) asserted, that to their pronuises, they might have prosuch supplies would have arrived suffici-ceeded inuch further, and have told the ently early, allowing 10 days for the sail- committee that they had promised 40,000 ing of the transports, after intelligence of men. Why did not they advance a few the capture by his majesty's arms had been steps onward ? Here again they conducted obtained. Was the noble lord serious in themselves with prudence; they knew the representing, that 10 days were a sufficient fact would be contrasted with the promise, time for such an undertaking; to prepare and that the disproportion between 15 or an expedition to a distant part of the globe, 16,000, and 40,000 men, would be too conwith the uncertainty that after its arrival siderable. Attending, then, to this inequathe troops could even land there, and lity between the assurances given and the might probably have to proceed to some event, he could entertain no very sanguine other settlement yet more remote? Did hopes of what these gentlemen would have the noble lord recollect, that for such a done, had they the most favourable opproject there could have been no anterior portunity both of multiplying their propreparation ? And could he imagine that mises and their exertions. The noble 10 days were enough to provide and dis- lord had dwelt much in complimentary obmiss this effectual aid? While the noble servations on one of the administrations of lord supposed it to be no easy matter to which he was a member. Certainly, it cross the Atlantic with all this host of war did make considerable additions to the in ten days, did he remember, that with effective force; and its measures bad a him it occupied as many months to fit out much more benericial operation than he an expedition to cross the British Channel, (lord H.) bad expected. Thus much it was fair to state. What was the result? | service. In July 1804, they were 122,691 ; It would be seen by the accounts, that in in March following, 142,700 ; being an exJanuary 1803, about 95 or 96,000 mencess of 20,000, of which 6600 were cavalry was the amount of the public force. On the and 13,400 infantry. Taking, then, the final Ist of July, 1804, it consisted of 230,759 result of the measures of the last adminis. men, and 6,000 artillery; constituting an tration, the whole number raised was 5222, augmentation of 140,000 men. No doubt of wbich 3122 were procured for rank, and could be entertained that the army of re- 1073 were mere boys; leaving only 707 serve act, as well as the regulations of the men as the produce of their boasted exermilitia, were calculated to raise a large ad- tions, which could possibly be considered ditional force; the objectious were that the a beneficial acquisition to the army. Let means were oppressive, and that the effect these vain and illusive attempts be compa was not permanent. When the arıny of red, yot with the promises, but with the reserve act was put in activity, he lord advantageous effects of the measures of his Howick) was in the country, and he had right hon. friend, and he could entertain that experience of its operation which led no fear that the cousequence would meet him to wish that the experiment would the wishes of every friend to the military never be again tried unless in circum- strength of the country. The bov. and stances of the most pressing necessity ; learned gent. loudly complained that his yet he would not say, that the oc- right hon. friend had changed his opinion : casion on which resort had been had to the before, the Additional Force bill was to measure, was of sufficient urgency to jus- raise money, now it was to raise men. tify its application. Thus, then, were ad- No doubt it was for this duplex object, ded 140,000 men to the national force for If you had the men from the parochial dis limited service. The noble lord, embold-tricts, the force was augmented; if you had ened by this success, became a little incau- not the men, the money was obtained, tious, and asked, what was done in the Such a plan was, in the sequel, found to Dext administration ? To wbich (fond be destructive of the regular recruiting ; always of having " Two Strings to and, if men were procured by it, they were his Bow”) he also belonged. At that either boys, or men deficient in stature, time 33,000 men were added to the and of course not suited to the public serarmy. In this confident appeal, it would vice. With these objections to it, the have been satisfactory if the noble lord scheme had been very properly abandoned, bad been able to shew, that this accession In this situation of things it was, that the was derived from the politic measures of prudent expedients of bis right bon. friend his administration. The first step was to were resorted to, which have attracled so abandon the project of the supplementary violent an opposition from the nuble lord militia ; and the whole increase was to be (Castlereagh). Whatever assistance tbe attributed to five sources of supply: 1. noble lord should require from the papers, The militia. 2. The army of reserve act. with ministers to assist him in detecting $. Raising for rank. 4. The admission of their errors, should be supplied ; but be boys into the army.

5. The foreign (lord H.) must protest against the charge, corps. The last was principally derived so frequently repeated, that his right hon. from the German legion; however the fo- friend had at any time declared, that any reigners amounted to 8000, and 13.000 sudden and extensive addition to the pube volunteered from the militia. In July lic force could by such means be acquired. 1804, the increase was 140,000, and the He could confidently appeal to every gentotal force 245,090. On Jan. 18, it was tleman wbo heard his right hop. friend, 258,000, and the increase only 29,172. that no such pretensions were made on The militia was then reduced 16,000, lea- the contrary, it was urged, that all that ving the augmentation of the regulars and could be expected from the measure was a artillery at 13,185 men. To these add gradual and progressive improvement, de 8000 for the accession between the 1st of rived principally from the amelioration of January and the 6th of March, and the the condition of the army, and from the increase would be 21,000. But the fair conviction in the public wind, of the inn comparison was not to be made in this way : creased respectability of our military entait should be confined to the native regular blishments. After this explanation, he hom army, exclusive of the artillery, and com- ped he should hear no more of any preciprising troops both for limited and unlimited pitate effects, and that debates in that bouse would not be needlessly protracted was a convincing proof of the amelioration by calling for elucidations of subjects both of the condition of the army, and of which had been so often discussed. How, the members who compose it. At a for then, did the real question before the com- mer time, out of 1,878 recruits, it was mittee actually stand? An opportunity of found, one in ten, or about 188, had decomparison could only at present be affor- serted ; in 1805, out of 1,208, there were ded from the 20th of October ; as the re- 174 deserters, or one in seven ; now, out gulations were pursued, more means would of 2,155, only 155, or one in 13. This be supplied. The hon. and learned gent. was no trifling recommendation of the plan had talked of February, March, and April

, of his right hon. friend. The opponents and many other periods, but no compari- to it however asserted, that if their two son could be made, as the information be- projects of recruiting were taken collecfore the committee was limited to October. tively, then the advantage was in favour Availing himself, then, of all the intelli- of the former methods. But it should be gence received on the subject, the relative recollected that, under the Additional effect appeared thus : the regular recruit- Force act, age and height were disregarded. ing in 1805, froni the 20th of October to Yet, notwithstanding this, including only the 15th of the present month, produced the last 2 weeks, there was an excess in fa 1208 men ; under the new measures, 2155 vour of the new scheme; in one the numin the same interval were obtained, yield-ber was 221, in the other 225 men. With ing an addition of 947 meu. . But the learn- all these facts pressing on the attention of ed gent. said, that this was an unfair com- the committee, he trusted they would conparison, because the recruiting at the for- cur with him that there was an evident in mer period was obstructed by the Parish provement, and that the means were fully bill. It would be in the recollection of competent to the end proposed. Only 3 many gentlemen, that the hon. and learned months had been allowed for this experigent. had before said, that there could ex- ment, and the result was obvious ; in the ist-no such obstruction. He lord H.) could case of the Parish bill, nearly two years not avoid complimenting the hon. and had been allowed to try its efficacy, and it learned gent, on this unexpected and hap- remained still unproductive. It was not py exercise of his discernment; he would, surprising then, that he should be sanguine for the sake of further illustration, next as to the result, but he would not admit advert to a time when, from the great scar- bis good opinion of the measure to conceal eity of the means of subsistence, the re- from him any of its defects. If it were cruiting service was conducted with on the fact, that the pensions and emoluments usual success; he meant in the year 1800. might be obtained by persons without the Even then, only 1878 men were raised, performance of the duties which should enleaving a surplus of 277 in favour of the title them to such rewards, he should have present time. Was it not under such cir- no difficulty in admitting that such a percumstances correct to say, that the plan nicious circumstance should not be allowwas progressively improving in its effects, ed, and some provision should be made to and that, at least as far as it had operated, prevent it. But was it perfectly clear that it had fully answered what had been pre- this was the fact? The learned gent. said, dicted of the result? But it was said, that that by fraud a man might obtain these now the purchase was a purchase of ser- advantages. Was be a lawyer, instructed vice for only seven years, then it was for in all the erudition of his profession? and life. No doubt the proper allowance was it necessary to inform him, that by the should be made for any réduction in the laws of England no mau can sustain any term of duty; and on the contrary side were demand founded upon a fraud. The hon. to be placed, the other facilities in and of and learned gent, supposed a case where a the service, and the enrolling at reduced man inlisted when he was subjected to fits bounties. Again, his right hon. friend as- or sudden derangement. Did not that serted, that a superior order of men was learned gent, know the form of the oatla obtained, and, what was most material, administered, and that perjury must be that the number of desertions was greatly perpetrated to procure admission under reduced. It was yet more satisfactory, such circunstances? and, indeed, there that the diminution of these desertions was were prosecutions grounded on this violaapplicable to the time between the enlist. tion of moral and religious duty. The ing and joining the respective corps, wbich hon. and learted gentleman further complained, that the Training bill had not, was necessary for him to detain the house on the present occasion, been made a sub- for a few moments, The estimates he al. ject of discussion. If it were intended to luded to were those of the commissariat examine this act, it would be easy to and barrack departments, the first of which bring the matter before the house, but could not be included in the army extrawhen the Army Estimates were under ordinaries, and therefore stood in a sepadeliberation, it seemed improper

to rate estimate. The sum to be voted unblend with that enquiry, what was so fo- der this head was the same as last year, reign and irrelevant. He should in this aniounting to 841,5261.; 50,0001. of which respect certainly follow the example of suni was to defray the expences of the royhis right hon. friend, except by making a al military canals. This was the last issue single remark upon it, that fit measures to be made for that purpose, consequently, were taken to carry it into effect, and a very great reduction would take place he entertained no doubt of its salutary ope- in that expenditure. The only additional ration.

sum for the barrack department which he Sir John Doyle said, it was his intention meant to move for, was 57,000l. for erectto have delivered his sentiments on the ing and completing new works. At the present subject, but at that hour, after the same time, he observed, that it was not the very ample explanations which bad been intention of government to undertake any made by the noble lord and the right hon. more new works, but such as were found gentleman, he should be ashamed to tres to be absolutely necessary. The barracks pass on the time of the house; and, as he at Portsmouth were the principal object of understood a further discussion would take this grant; they were considered as essenplace on the subject, he would reserve tially necessary, and, it was possible, himself for that occasion.

might not cost more than 47,0001., for alMr. Johnstone begged leave to correct though, technically speaking, they were an error, which the secretary at war had denominated new works, yet they were in fallen into in the course of his speech. a considerable state of forwardness. He The right hon. gent. had said, that he had had the satisfaction to state, that, the year pledged himseli to make a charge against before last, the expences of that departhis majesty's ministers. He certainly ment amounted to 1,100,0001, which had wished to see how far the pledges made by been reduced to 550,0001. and there would those ministers had been fulfilled, or bad, this year be a further saving of 50,0001. or had not been released. He did not The resolutions were then read and agreed pledge himself to make such a charge, but to.-Adjourned. he professed an anxiety to examine the papers, and see how far those who had

HOUSE OF COMMONS. been so willing to bring forward charges of Thursday, January 22. want of economy against former ministers, The ballot for a comunittee to take into had themselves acted upon that principle. consideration the Petition complaining of

The Secretary at War replied, that it an undue return for the borough of Weywould appear, from the papers before the mouth, standing for to-day, at 4 o'clock house, that since the present ministers the Speaker counted the house, when, only came into office, they had uniformly obser- 64 members being present, the house nea ved the strictest economy.-After some cessarily adjourned. conversation between Mir. Windham, sir J. Doyle, lord Castlereagh, and Mr. Rose,

HOUSE OF LORDS. upon the subject of whether the returns

Friday, January 23. from the inspector-general's or the adju- [MINUTES.) On the motion of the archtant-generals department, were the most bishop of Canterbury, the lord bishop of correct to go by, upon the future discus. St. David's was requested to preach before sion of this question, the original resolution their lordships on the Fast Day.--The was read and agreed to, without further duke of Clarence presented five Petitions opposition.

against the bill for Abolishing the Slave Lord Henry Petty then rose, and having Trade; three from Liverpool, one from apologised for troubling the house at that the Agents for Jamaica, and one from the late hour, observed, that as some of the Merchants in general concerned with the present estimates came more particularly West-India trade. Ordered to lie on the within the department of the treasury, it table.—The Annual Indemnity bill wear throogh the committee, and was reported. | tary, if any provision had been made forex

tending the additional pay granted last year, HOUSE OF COMMONS.

to the officers of the regulars, to the officers Friday, January 23.

of corresponding ranks in the Militia service, [Minutes.] At four o'clock a ballot that was, from the lieut. colonel down to took place for a committee to take into the subalterns. The Secretary at War reconsideration the Petition complaining of plied, that no such provision had been an undue return for the borough of Wey made. Lord Castlereagh hoped that a nomouth. Soon after, Mr. White appeared ble lord (whom he did not see now in his at the bar, and presented the reduced list, place) would bring this subject under the which was as follows:-W. H. Freemantle, consideration of the house, more especially esq.; right hon. C. Yorke; W. Taylor, as he had himself stated that in his opinion, esq.; J. Osborne, esq.; sir W. W. Wynne; the increase of pay ought to extend as far G. Porter, esq. ; sir T. H. Liddell; sir G. as the captains of the Militia. The report Cornwall; si É. Knatchbull; sir W. Miloer; was then received. sir J. Frederick ; A. Browne, esq.; R. Vyse, (CRIMINAL AND PAUPER LUNATICS.] esq.; nominees, W. Baker, esq. sir J. An- Mr. W. Wynne moved, that a select struther.-Mr. Whitbread gave notice, that committee be appointed to enquire into the on the 12th of Feb. he would move state of the Criminal and Pauper Lunatics for leave to bring in a bill to amend in England and Wales, and of the laws the existing Poor Laws. It was bis in- relative thereto, and to report the same tention to give gentlemen all possible with their observations to the house. It time to examine this subject with the at- was a year and a half since he had called tention which it merited. If therefore the the attention of the house to this subject, house would, at the period which he had which demanded immediate interference. mentioned, permit him to bring in the bill, The consequence of the attempt made by and would allow it to be read a first time, Hatfield on the life of his majesty, was an he would then move that the second read-act empowering the judges in cases of acing should lie over till after the Easter quittal on the ground of insanity, to order holidays.-The lord advocate of Scotland, the person so acquitted to be detained in after a prefatory speech, in which he en-custody, until bis majesty's pleasure retered into an historical detail of the vari, specting them should be known. Under ous regulations relative to the stipends of this act, several unfortunate persons were tbe Scottish Clergy, and in which be ex- now lying in public jails; of all places, the pressed the highest regard for that respecta- most improper for their abode. He reble body of men, moved for leave to bring ferred to an instance in the county which in a bill to suspend for a certain time the he had the honour to represent, of a perpowers granted to the lords of session and son who, having been tried for murder council in Scotland, by an act of the Scotch and acquitted, on the ground of insanity, parliament, in the 4th session of the first had been imprisoned in the public jail, in parliament of queen Anne, so far as they which all possible care was taken of him went to the augmentation of the stipends that could be expected from persons ignoof the clergy in Scotland, His view rant of the mode of treatment, peculiarly was, that during the suspension, those sti- requisite for lunatics, committed another pends should be rendered adequate to the inurder on a felon in the same prison. purpose for which they were originally in- Pauper lunatics, as the law then stood, tended.-Lord A. Hamilton gave notice, were maintained by the parish, so that it that on Monday se'nnight, he would make became the interest of overseers that these a motion relative to the Third Report of unhappy people should commit some outthe commissioners of the Military Inquiry. rage by which the parishes might be relieved -Mr. W. Wynne brought in a bill for more from the burthen of them. There were not effectually preventing deprędations on the less than 1700 pauper lunatics now in conriver Thames and its vicinity, which was finement. How to proceed, whether asyread a first time.

lums should be erected lo comprehend [MILITIA Orficers.]On Mr.W.Wynne's nore than one county, or in what other moving that the order of the day be read way relief should be afforded, would be a for receiving the report of the Irish Mili- proper subject of consideration for the tia Service bill, Lord Castlereagh rose for committee which he proposed to institute. the purpose of asking the right hon, secre- Mr. S. Bourne asked why the hon. geni.



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