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called upon the country for greater mili-| to 140,119 inen; on the 1st of March, tary exertions than it had ever heretofore 1806, (the nearest period to wlich the acmade. On the casualties also which, he counts were made up,) it amounted to bad last session stated, and he feared too 173,600 men, making an increase, in twen. justly stated, must amount on the average ty months, of 33,48 1 men. Let the counto 15,000 a year, it was to be observed try compare this with the increase under that, owing probably to his majesty's mi- the right hon. gent.'s management, from nisters having so entirely engrossed then the middle of February to the present moselves with the negociation with France, ment, of between 4 and 5 thousand men ! they seemed until lately to have dives- an increase too, for which he was totally ted their minds of every idea of carrying indebted to the expiring efforts of the Adon offensive operations against the enemy, ditional Defence act.—But he owned, that no military effort bad been made, conse- when he heard the right hon. gent. talking, guently the number of casualties had been in a strain of romantic enthusiasm, of carless; but we must expect that in 86,000 rying the military glory of Britain to a troops now employed in Foreign service, bigher pitch than it bad hitherto attained, the number of casualties would conside- be anticipated the consequences that had rably ncrease. It was impossible to sup- ensued. "The right bon. gent. had been pose, that they would be exempt from the perpetually telling the late administration, natural consequences of battle. Nothing o take away your acts; take away your could be farther from his mind than to useless machinery; and I'll be bound to press an invidious comparison between the get you a better army than you ever had right hon. gent. and other individuals ; but before.” Had he done so :-He would he trusted that the comparison which he proceed to examine the numbers raised by had made, would have a tendency to rouse ordinary recruiting. It would be found, that right hon. gent.'s exertions, and thus that the produce of 1804 and 1805 had not prove advantageous both to the country differed materially from the average of and to his own character. Did the right former years.. Calculating the annual hon. gent. recollect the declaration which duce of the ordinary recruiting under the he made at the opening of the last session of right hon. gent.'s management, at the rate parliament, that such were the military of the month of December last, which was necessities of the country, that not an the highest in point of number, and, incluhour should be lost to repair the evils with ding a regiment of 658 men, which ought which we were threatened? Let him look not to be taken into the account, as they at the growth of the regular army under were raised under the operation of the former administrations, and compare it measures of a former administration, it with the growth under the present admi. would be found not to exceed 11,800 men. nistration; and the comparison might sug- The numbers raised in 1805 by the ordigest to bim a little distrust of bis own abi- nary recruiting (when the Additional De lity for military arrangements, and a great fence act was operating against it) was deal of forbearance from the remark on the 11,677 : so that, excluding the regiment ability of others. Examine the increase of which he had mentioned, the ordinary rethe regular army, from the 1st of July, 1903, cruiting at present was less productive than to the 1st of July, 1804, during the adminis- in 1805, notwithstanding all the embartration of lord Sidinouth, an administration rassments to which it had then been subso much vilified by the right hon. gent.!ject. It did not appear therefore, thatone man On the 1st of July, 1803, the regular army more had enlisted from the temptation of amounted to 99,312 men ; on tbe 1st of the right hon. gent.'s system, and he could July, 1804, it amounted to 140,119 men, not but be convinced that what the coun: being an ivcrease in one year, of 40,777 try had paid to make this unsuccessful atmen. But the right hon. gent.'s magazine tempt, was but the earnest of future more of military sarcasms was not exhausted extravagant and more hopeless disburseduring the administration of lord Sidmouth ments. In the year 1805, the actual num-He continued to vent his reproaches on ber of men that was obtained for the army the administration by which it was suc- by the ordinary recruiting, was 11,677; by ceeded. That administration continued the Additional Defence bill, 8,388; by the in office until the beginning of February enlistments from the British militia, 8963; 1806. He had before stated, that, on the by the enlistments from the Irish militia, lstof July, 1804, the regular force amounted 4617; making a gross increase of above

33,000 men, exclusive of above 9,000|ing, and subsequently, when it produced obtained by foreign levies.--After deduct. 300 men a week, and when thus producing ing the casualties, the net increase might at the rate of 16,000 men a year, he had be estimated, in that single year, at above called on parliament not to abandon it, 21,000 mnen; while the wbole amount un- Had the right hon. gent. proposed some der the right hon, gent.'s system, with all auxiliary measure which afforded to the his wonderful vigour and exertion, and cal country the probability of giving to it the culated in the most favourable manner, did amount of force which it wanted, while not exceed between 13 and 14 thousand! the experiment of his new system was After he had thus shewn that the experi- trying, he might perhaps have been induced ment had fundamentally fạiled, be wished to accede to the continuation of that expe. that the comparison of expence between riment. But the right hon, gent, in anthe right hon. gent's system and those swer to a questiou which he had put to which preceded it, would afford consola- him, on a recent evening, had distinctly tion: but the reverse was the case, At the disclaimed the supposition, that any such outset of the business, the right hon, gent. auxiliary measure was in the contemplastated, that he conceived, out of the new tion of his majesty's ministers. Had such experiment, an expence of 450,0001, would a measure been proposed, he should not immediately arise. He (lord Castle reagh) have been so completely justified as he had calculated it at 493,000). When the now felt himself to be, in opposing a sysestimates were printed, it would be found lem which was not only immediately in, to be more. This was the first visible ef- jurious, but prospectively destructive to fect of an experiment which had not pro- the British army. It was for the present duced a single additional inan to the army! parliament to cousider whether they would, But this was not the only new expence ori- for the first time, make themselves parties ginating in this measuse. Two-thirds of to this new system of expence and ruin, the increase of expence in the navy esti- For his own part, be felt he abandoned his mates might justly be attributed to it; for public duty, if he did not candidly state to there could be no doubt that it was the the house that, strong as his impression right hon. gent.'s military plan which was of the mischief, disadvantages, and prompted the noble lord at the bead of the dangers arising out of the measure of last admiralty, during the last session of par- year, it was nothing, compared with that liainent, to propose an augmentation in the which he felt in considering the effect which pay of the peity officers in his niajesty's the new code contained in his majesty's navy; an augmentation which, he allowed, warrant of the 7th day of October, for the becanie vecessary, in consequence of that regulation of the army, and which had been plan, but which certainly increased the an- laid on the table of the house of commons nual expenditure of the country, during during the present session, was calculated the war, on this point alone, to between 7 to produce. It was with considerable regret and 800,000l. The right hon. gent. would that he had heard the right hon. gent, duperhaps say, that the house ought not to ring the last session declare,that be had made pronounce maturely on an experiment of his mind completelyup on all the points of his ihis rature. He would be the last man lo plan; yet this warrantshewed that he had not urge the hasty abandonment of a nļilitary ventured to execute what he had stated it ineasure,

if any hope remained of its suc- was his ivtention to execute. Of thiş bę cess; if any argument could be adduced in certainly did not complain. But it sbewed its favour, or if the situation of the coun- conclusively, a distrust on the part of the try was such as to render it eligible to de- right hon. gent. on the very outset of his vote an additional period to itę trial, He system ; which he must have considered (lord Castlereagh) had twice pressed the likely to fail, or he would not have disaphouse to continue a military measure whịch pointed the expectations of the soldiers of lbey were called upon by the gentleman op: 121 years' service. When he had stated to posite to repeal: but this be did on very dif- the right hon. gent. that the annual num. ferent grounds from those on which the pre- ber of these amounted to 5 or 6 thousand sent system rested. In March 1805, when the men, and that șis measure in this respect repeal of the Additional Defence bill was was likely to counteract itself, he listened proposed, at a time when the bill yielded to those statements with unbending firmat the rate of 9,000 men a year, without ness: but when he came to carry the meathe slightest injury to the ordinary recruit- sure into execution, he dreaded the colle sequences, and altered his resolution.- was to receive an addition to his pay, of a But there were other points in this code of halspenny a day, or 158. a year; and anoregulations which had caused the appre-ther addition of a halfpenny a day, on evehensions of danger in his mind to swell ry succeeding year in which he might into the utmost magnitude : he pledged choose to continue in the army. Now, it himself to bring this subject before the would be found that the men who had house in a detailed discussion, although served 21 years, were generally under 50% he had not determined whether to avail years of age. If, therefore, they contihimself of the introduction of the Mutiny nued in the army, it was probable that on bill for that purpose, or to move a specific the average they nright do so for 17 years, resolution on those points, which, in his The first additional i 5s. to their yearly pay opinion, seemed likely to involve the coun-would therefore be worth between 121. and try in fundamental military ruin. In cau- 131. sterling. The next year's 158. would dour to the right hon, gent. he would be only fractionally less valuable, and so state three or four of the leading points to on. The effect of this system would be to which he objected. The first (which was crush the country with the enormous extowards the close of the warrant), went pence, vyless it was arrested by the hand to the complete subversion of the situation of parliament. Let the house also consiof a soldier, as it had hitherto existed in der the effect of this system of pensions on the British army, and to the total de- the men sent early in life to the East and struction of all order and subordination. West Indies: it ordained, that the soldier The right hon. gent. had placed the claim who had served 14 years in India, should of the soldier to a pension on a legal be entitled to his discharge, and the same right, and not on the recommendation of pensions as the man who had served 27 his superior officer, on which alone it years in other circumstances. The climate could with safety rest. These pensions of the East-Indies was healthy. Suppose were from 6d, to 16. 6d. a day; and it that a soldier went out at 18 years


age. was true, a discretionary power was vested At 32, according to the right hon. gent.'s in the Board of Kilmainham, as to the in- view of the subject, he would become a dividual amount. But the warrant went veteran, and be entitled to retire on on to declare, that no non-commissioned pension of 18l. 58. which, on the average, officer or soldier should be allowed to he would probably receive for 28 years, claim of right any such pension, whose Now, he would put it to the house, how it disability arose from vice or misconduct. was possible, under such a system, to conIt followed, therefore, that every one tend with the evils by which we were threatwho was not discharged from the conse- ened ? He would trace the operation one quences of vice or misconduct, had a step farther. A great number of these claim which a court of justice must con- men would stay in the army, suppose for firm; and this without any limitation of additional years ; he would then be entime, without any consideration whether titled to an accumulated pension of 271.78. he had served 2 days or 21 years. What 60,; and the probable duration of his life, the effect of pensions granted by right, and being 22 years, a bounty to the amount of not on the recommendation of his superior that sum of 271.78. 6d. would thus be giofficer, would have on the mind of the ven on every year that he had served. soldier, and what effect the disbursements But he wished to know what would be the of such large sumns would have on the fi- situation of the right hon. geut. when he nances of the country, it was unnecessary came to disband the army, or to reduce for him to point out. The next objec- it to the peace establishment ? Did he tionable point in the Warrant arose out of consider the nature of the discretion which the answer to the question proposed that he would then be called upon to exercise ? night by him to the right hon. gent. The He would have three classes into which to right hon. gent. stated that none of the sol distribute his discharges; but how, withdiers who had served ?1 years had been out saddling the country with an expense discharged, but thạt hè considered them which it was not equal to pay, could he as eutitled to all the advantages of his avoid making his discharges out of the first measure. By that measure, a soldier who class, and yet, by doing that, he would had served 21 years, was entitled to re- discharge the flower of the army. Among tire on a pension of 1s. a day, or 181. 58. the regulations of the Warrant, it was sta. a year. If he remained in the service, be ted, that those who were discharged should



receive their pensions ; but that they should them, at the moment when energy would be bound to obey the directions of Chel- have been particularly serviceable. His sea hospital, and come to serve in the ve- lordship concluded by declaring, that he teran battalions when they were called up- should not oppose the passing of the reso

In the course of a few years, howe- lution, but that he had deened himself ver, these veteran battalions would be bound to state to the house, what he thought composed of men in the prime of life, and of the present military establishment of possessing a complete knowledge of their the country, and the dreadful evils which, profession. How could government then he was convinced, would result from a avoid cousidering those battalions as most { perseverance in the riglit hon. gent.'s mili. Ét for active service, for foreign service, tary plans. and more particularly for West-India ser- Mr. Secretary Windham, in rising to revice, for which they were peculiarly fit-ply to the speech of the noble lord, felt ted? And thus, all the motives beld out, that there were many of his charges which and by which men were to be seduced into it was impossible for him to retaliate. the army, would cease to operate. He Two bours ago he was ready to remove that repeated, that he was little disposed to part of the noble lord's accusation, which consider the situation of this country in a reproached him with taciturnity; and cergloomy point of view. He had great con- tainly the mass of extraneous matter which kdence in its strength; he had great confi- the noble lord had introduced into bis dence in its resources; and he was happy to speech, bad increased the subject of refind that the gentlemen opposite began to proach; because, it was impossible for bim think with him on this latter subject. But if to follow the noble lord through the ever there was a moment in the history of whole of his arguments. From all that any country in which pecuniary economy bad been said by him in former debates, was more indispensably necessary than in he did not conceive that it would be neany other, this was the moment, and cessary for him to express himself much Great Britain the country. The right hon. at length, apd should therefore in this gent, he was sorry to observe, had shewn instance adhere to taciturnity by being as himself indifferent, not only to the eco- brief as possible. It would generally seem, nomy of money, but also to the economy that one long speech imposed the necessity of time. Adverting to the capture of Bue- of another nearly as long to answer it: DOS Ayres, he expressed his anxiety to but bere the noble lord had imposed kpow why so long a period bad been suf- upon him the taciturnity he complained fered to elapse before the reinforcements of, because he was not at that late hour had been sent to secure the possession of that so much to consider the time that might valuable province ? Early in June, govern- | be spent in a reply, as the time that rement received advices from St. Helena, mained to be spent. When he had opened that the expedition had touched there, on bis measure in detail to the house, he had its way from the Cape. He was convinced been obliged to do so in a speech of conthat within ten days of the time, when siderable length, a thing to which he althaşe advices were received, three regi- ways felt a reluctance, but the noble lord's ments of infantry might have sailed; and, incidental speech of three hours kept that whether the place was tenable or not, it in countenance. The noble lord had only would not have embarrassed his majesty's touched lightly upon the topics which be service to have sent that reinforcement, as had intimated his intention of discussing it was necessary that troops should go to more at lengtlı on some future day. In India : unless they sent a letter of recall replying to what had been said incidento the forces at Buenos Ayres, ministers tally by the noble lerd, he should first rehad no option but to send a reinforcement.cur to that which was still fresh in the reJustead of doing this in the middle of collection of the house, and which the noJune, they did not send a man until Oc- ble lord bad no right to advert to, because tober; that was, until lord Lauderdale's it did not belong to the question before return to this country: thus plainly shew- the committee. He should refer to that ing that his motions were the governing point as a specimen of the noble lord's principles of their actions, and evincing a reasoning. It would make the house dis. culpable neglect of their duty, by abstain-trust similar assertions which the noble lord ing from a vigorous exercise of the power might again make the foundation of the and resources of the country entrusted to most extraordinary conclusions. The no

ble lord had set out with a fact which was on the details of the expence of the new not founded. He had stated, that his system, and upon this expence he founded majesty's ministers had received the ac- his principal objections to it; but the noble counts of the destination of the expedi-lord bad certainly forgot, that most of the tion to Buenos Ayres, from St. Helena, gentlemen in that house had heard him beearly in the month of June, and then he fore speak at great length upon that subwent on to argue what great things might ject, but with very little success; for after have been done if ministers had acted in arguing at great length, that the expence the manner he would have pointed out of raising men by that means would be In answer to this argument he should first ruinous, he, in the very same breath, consay, that it was not early in the month, as the tended, that no men would be raised by it. noble lord stated, but it was upon the 24th of This was a circumstance which was cerJune that government received this informa- tainly fresh in the recollection of many tion, and it certainly was a piece of informa- gentlemen in that house. He had often tion that nobody could have expected them beard it said, that there was nothing so to anticipate. The noble lord might speak fallacious as an account; he thought that of preparing expeditions, and sending them he might also say, there was nothing more to sea in 10 days, but it must be recollected fallacious than a calculation. He therethat the 3 regiments he spoke of must go fore should not follow the poble lord in all over in ships, and that those ships must bis calculations ; he should content himhave ample stores and provisions on board, self with shewing the fallacy of the basis and be vessels proper to send troops in to upon which the noble lord had formed his such a distance. If the expedition was calculation. He began by reckoning the only across the channel, there were plenty life of a soldier discharged from service, of vessels that might have been easily got and who had encountered hardships, and ready for that purpose; but when it was the rariety of climates, to be worth 21 recollected that they were to cross the At- years, according to the calculation of the lantic, to look for another expedition; and insurance offices for the lives of those who if they could not find it, or should disco- had lived at home and in a different manver that it had been unsuccessful, to re-ner. If the house would but grant the cross it again, to look for a place of safety ; nuble lord his basis, his arguments and his it would not be supposed that such a descrip- calculations miglit be very well; but when tion of ships could be got ready and fitted the basis was removed as fallacious, they out in so short a time. The noble lord must fall with it. In arguing about the would perhaps have sent them over in air-expences of the new system, the gentlemen balloons, or some such other expeditious on the other side always appeared to coninode of conveyance. The noble lord was sider, that this increase of expence had equally incorrect in this statement about been merely adopted for the purpose of the passage of the Narcissus; he had pla- obtaining recruits; he, however, had alced the capture of Buenos Ayres at the ways stated that it was a bare act of justice end of the month of July, instead of the due to the brave men who had spent their beginning of it, and had made the Narcis- lives in the service of the country. Exsus arrive in England at the beginning of pence, however, was merely a relative term, the month of September, instead of the and must be considered in relation to the end. He believed it would be found, upon object of it. A hundred pounds might be examination, that the Narcissus, was s a great deal for one object, and a hundred weeks on her passage, instead of 5; and, thousand nothing for another object. The as she was a single frigate, a good sailer, argument of expence, however, did not ap-. and coming with good news (which would pear to bave so much weight with the geninduce the captain not to make any devia-ilemen on the other side when it was contion in his course), it was not probable that nected with the Volunteer establishment, any force could by possibility have been which was a greater favourite with them, sent from England, which could have arri. from supposing that it was one of their own ved there before the 12th of August, if it was

No reduction had been proto be believed that the place was then re- posed in the number of the Volunteers, taken. These were tolerable specimens of but merely in certain expences, which the sort of facts upon which the noble lord were exorbitantly extravagant. The great grouuded his reasoning. The noble lord body of the volunteers inust have themhad, bowever, dwelt at very great length selves perceived the extravagance of the


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