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White from the committee made his ap- those sums were for the defraging of the pearance at the bar, and presented a list expences of former years unprovided for, of the members sélected, which was read and what he alluded to was the charge for by the Speaker, and which was as follows: the curreut year. viz. Sir F. Fletcher Vane, W. Jacob, esq. Mr. Calcraft repeated, that he would hon. W. Howard, A. Atherley, esq. A. make himself master of this subject, and Tower, esq. T. R. Beaumont, esqi earl endeavour to account to the bon. geril. for Percy, J. H. Tremayne, sir J. Lubbock, that which now appeared to him to be so bon, A. Foley, lord Walpole, G. Jones, extraordinary, The resolutions were theu J. Barry, esq. J. Raine, esq. W. Dicken- agreed to. son, esq.: the two last names were ap- [MILITARY ESTABLISAMENTS.] Lord pointed nominees...The Exchequer Bills Castlereagh gave notice, that on Monday bill, and the Annual Indemnity bill, were he would move for returns of the present read a second time.
efiective state of our Military Establishi. (ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.) Mr.Hobhouse ment.-As the noble lord sat down, Mr.Se brought up the report of the committee cretary Windham entered the house, upon of supply on the Ordnance Estimate.The which he again rose, and observed, that first resolution being put,
had the right hon, secretary been in his Mr. Johnstone observed, that there were place when he gave his notice, he would two charges which appeared to bit to re- have put the question to him, which he quire some explanation. Among the stores would now. He wished to know whether sent to Ceylon, amounting to 59,4001, he it was in the contemplation of his majesty's observed some gun-powder, estimated at ministers to carry into execution the Train4,0001. Now it seemed very improvident ing Act passed in the last session, or to to send out so much powder from this substitute some other means of military country, when it might bàve been sent to defence ? Ceylon at a much cheaper rate from some Mr. Secretary Windham replied, that he of our Settlements in the East Indies. did not know that any other measure was This was the first charge which struck him in contemplation; that it was probable the with surprise. The second was this ; he operation of the Training act might be exobserved that for worms, turn-screws, &c. tended to Scotland; and that he had no the charge for the service of Ireland was doubt in that case the people of that counabout 7,0001, while that for England was try would cheerfully support their share of only 1,0001. This required explanation. the burthen.
Mr. Calcraft replied to the first observa. Lord Castlereayh fancied that he had not tion of the hon. gent. that all stores fur-made himself perfectly understood by the nished for foreign service were done so right hon. gent. His question did not reander an order from the secretary of state's late to the suspension, or to the execution office; but that not having that order then of the Training act in Scotland. What he about him, be was unable to produce it. asked was, whether or not it was intendAs to the difference between the charge of ed to carry it into execution in this counworms and turn-screws, &c. for England and try? for Ireland, he rather supposed, that a part Mr. Windham observed, that it was at of the charge for the former country was this moment in a course of execution in included in the sums provided for in the this country: to what extent, must be subother resolutions. But he would make en-ject to the discretion of the executive goa quiry into this subject, and would be happyvernment, who would, in this case, be to give the bon. gent. every information in guided by circumstances. As far as ta
king the names, and balloting from the ** Mr. Johnstone not only thought, that lists, the measure would be put into com sending powder from this island to Ceylon plete activity. was an oversight, but that the whole sum Lord Castlereagh again enquired, whether voted for the Ordnance Service of Ceylon, it was meant to carry the measure into 'exwas too large to pass without animadversion. ecution in a military sense, or merely to With regard to the other sums, he sup- confine it to the obtaining of names and posed that they were not correctly particu- a consequent ballot. Did his majesty's larized in the resolution"; for it was impos ministers intend that the Training should Bible they could forin a part of the gums take place ? Provided for is the other resolutions, as Mr. Windham repeated, that the extent
of the operation of the act must be regu- | notice that he would, on Monday, move to lated by circumstances. That as it was bring in a bill for correcting an error in an not likely that any material circumstances act of the 42d of the king, for regulating would occur, it was assuredly the intention controverted elections, as relating to Ireof government to carry the measure into land. The object of this bill would be to as complete execution as it was ever pro- supply a defect in the said act, for though posed to do. At no time was likely the commissioners were sworn to act, they that it would extend to the whole of the were not empowered to administer an oath kingdom.
to the clerk who attended to take down the
evidence; to einpower them to administer HOUSE OF LORD6.
this oath, was the object of the bill he boFriday, January 9.
ped to have the honour of submitting to [MALT Duty Bill.] The order for that house. --Mr. Adam moved that the committing the Malt Duty bill, which also order for the consideration of the petition, purported to be a bill for removing doubts complaining of an undue election for respecting the issue of certain Exchequer Aberdeen, be deferred from the 23d instant bills, and for other purposes, baving been to the 26th of March. In answer to a read,
question from a member, to whom it apă The Lord Chancellor left the woolsack, peared that the practice of the house, as to call the attention of the house to this laid down a few days since in the Thetford bill, which appeared to contain matter fo-case, was agaiust the enlargement, unless reign to the object of a money bill. His some special cause was assigned, Mr. lordship moved that the standing order Adam stated the distance of the place, and respecting bills of this description should the necessity of having the attendance of be read. The standing order was accord-Scotch lawyers, who could not attend till ingly read by the clerk, declaring, that to after the rising of the session. After a few insert in money bills, clauses foreign to the observations from Mr. W. Dundas, the nioobjects of those bills, was unparliamentary, tion was agreed to.-Mr. Wingfield preand destructive of the constitution of par- sented a petition, praying an enlargement liament. The noble and learned lord said of time for entering into recognizances to it would be wasting the time of their lord- prosecute the petition, complaining of an ships for him to attempt to prove, what undue election for the borough of Penrhyn. must be obvious to the house, that clauses The petition stated, that the petitioners were inserted in this bill, which had no had completed their recognizance, and relation to its object as a money bill, and sent it up to their agent before their petiwbich therefore rendered it obnoxious to tion had been presented; but that this rethe standing order of the house which bad cogvizance was considered as informal, just been read. He therefore moved that and could not be received. The distance the bill be rejected, which was ordered ac- of the place, and the length of time taken cordingly,
in the conveyance by the post, had reddered the remainder of the time limited by
act of parliament too short. Mr. W. moFriday, January 9.
ved for an enlargement of the time to the [Minutes.] Sir J, Newport, took the 19th instant. After a few observations oaths and his seat. The hon. baronet, from Mr. Swan, the sitting member, who upon taking his seat, informed the house thought the petitioners had not used all that having been returned for Waterford due diligence to correct their first oversight, and also for St. Mawes, he made his elec- and from Mr. Perceval, who recommended tion for the city of Waterford. A new a cautious investigation of all grounds aswrit was ordered to be issued, to elect a signed for departing froin the law, the momember for the county of Sussex, in the tion was agreed to. On the motion of room of general Lenox, who was called Mr, Vansittart, the resplution of the comto the upper house, as succeeding to the mittee of supply, on the 1st of Jan. for title and honours of the dukedom of Rich- continuing the usual duties on malt, was mond.-Mr. Dickenson informed the house, read. Mr. V. then stated, that, in conthat being chosen to serve in Parliament sequence of circumstances, into which it for the borough of Lestwethiel and the was unnecessary for bim to enter, the bill county of Somerset, he made his election already brought in on this resolution had for the latter place. ---Sir J. Newport gave been lost in another place ;, he therefore
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moved for leave to bring in another bill, land, and 70001. for Ireland, for worms, which was granted.
turn-screws, &c. it was to be considered, (BATTLE OF MAIDA.] Mr. Wilder, that of the supplies bitherto furnished for seeing the right hon. secretary for the war the service of England, 9, 1001, remained departmept in his place, wished to be in- unexpended, so that towards the custoformed by bim, why the name of colonel, mary annual supply there was but a deficit now general Oswald, had been omitted in of 9001., whereas, there was no remainder the vote of thanks for the glorious victory to supply the yearly demand for Ireland; of Maida, to the achievement of which this statement, however, as it stood, put bis conduct and gallantry had materially in this case the Ordnance Estimates of 3 contributed.
England to those of Ireland in the ratio of Mr. Secretary Windham said, it had 7 to 3, which he was free to acknowledge been his wish, in framing the vote of thanks, was by no means in the dae proportion. to go as far as any former precedent would As to the officers of Ordnance, in Ireland, warrant him in mentioning the officers they were entitled to every praise for the concerned, by name. No officer of a lower strictest economy, and the most laudable Tank than major-general was mentioned by attention to the duties of the department. name in any former vote of thanks. But, if blame, therefore, was justly to attach as the rank of brigadier-general had been itself to any quarter, it would rather belong recently introduced into our service, he to this side. He confessed that, upon this thought we might with propriety extend head, he was not sufficiently prepared, to the compliment to that also. Colonel Os- be as satisfactory as he could wish, not wald was not at the tine actually a briga- having had sufficient time to possess himdier-general, though acting in that rank self of the fullest information opon the with great credit to himself, and great be subject; he should, however, take the nefit to the service. The circumstances be earliest opportunity to enable him to acmentioned were the only causes of the count for this apparent disproportion. omission, and he hoped this explanation, Mr. Johnstone felt much obliged by the which he was happy to have the opportu- great anxiety the hon. gent. had evinced nity of making, would prove perfectly sa- to give him and the house every satisface tisfactory to the feelings of the bon. gent. tion relative to the questions he took the behind him, and of every friend of that liberty of putting to him yesterday. It was, gallant and meritorious officer.
however, very natural for him to suppose Mr. Wilder said, he was perfectly satis- that in that country, where the material of fied with the explanation given by the right which the gunpowder was made was to be hon, secretary
had, it could be furnished at a cheaper [ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.) Mr. Cal- rate than it could be contracted for in Engcraft, seeing an hon. gent. in his place land. As to the requisition forwarded by (Mr. Johnstone), said he should take that the governor of Ceylon, he did not think opportunity of giving the hon. gent. every that the responsibility to that house rested satisfactory explanation as to the questions upon the governor, but upon the ministers, which the hon. gent. had thought it ne- who were bound to judge of the propriety cessary to put to him yesterday, with re- of acceding to it. This, too, he felt it nespect to the item for powder in the charges cessary to add, that he had the fullest refor the island of Ceylon. The hon. gent. liance in the capability of the governor of asked, why the necessary supply of gun-Ceylon, and thought that that gentleman powder had not been furnished by some of bad given proofs of a strict economy. our settlements in the East Indies : to that Mr. Calcraft said, that he had only to question the best answer would be the sim- repeat that English gunpowder had been ple statement of the fact, that the gover-sent out to the island of Ceylon, upon the nor of that įsland had required a supply of positive orders of the governor, founded English gunpowder, in preference to that upon reasons already specified, that apof our Eastern settlements, owing to the peared to the government convincing. superior quality of the former; and this too, not so much from the comparative excellence of our gunpowder, as the positive
Saturday, January 10. inferiority of that formerly supplied by the [Minutes.] Mr. Hobhouse presented setilements. As to the apparent dispro- a petition from the provost, &c. of the portion in the charges of 1000l. for Eng- city of Edinburgh, praying for leave to
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þring in a bill for the improvement of Leith might have been made, of which the house Harbour. Referred to a committee.--Mr. ought to be in possession previous to the Hobhouse brought up the report of the second reading of the bill." His lordsbip 10,500,000l. Excheqner Bills bill. The concluded by nioving an address to his mas amendments were agreed to, and a clause) jesty, praying that he would be graciously added, providing that the bill inight be al: pleased to order to be laid before the bouse, tered, amended, or repealed by any bill or copies of all columunications, which had bills to be passed in the present session of passed between his majesty and foreign parliament. The bill was then ordered to powers respecting the Abolition of the be engrossed, and read a third time op Slave Trade, in consequence of the address: Monday. Mr. Vansittart brought up the of that house. Malt Duty bill, without the exceptionable Lord Grenville said, he was not aware of. clauses, which had caused the former bill any material objection to the noble lord's to be thrown out in the lords, on the mo- motion. With respect to France, the fact tion of the lord chancellor. It was read a was, that during the late negociation with first time.
the government of that country, commu
nications on this subject did take place, to QUSE OF LORDS.
the production of which he saw no objeca Monday, January 12.
tion. As to Spain and Holland, the noble [ABOLITION OF THB SLAVE TRADE.) lord had justly supposed that no commuOn the motion of lord Grenville, the se- nications had taken place.
With respect coud reading of the bill for the Abolition to Portugal, it was not thought expedient of the Slave 'Trade was appointed for Fri- to make any communication on the subday se'nuight, for which day the lords were ject during the negociation with France ; ordered to be summoned.
and the fact was tbat none bad since been Lord Hawkesbury adverted to the two made. With respect to the United States resolutions adopted by the house last ses of America, communications bad certainly sion; the one declaring that the Slave passed during the negociation between the Trade ought to be abolished; and the plenipotentiaries of this country and the other, to address his majesty to make such United States; and this subject actually communications to Foreign powers as his formed one of the articles of the treaty majesty should deem advisable, with the wlich had been signed by those plenipoview of procuring the Abolition of the tentiaries. The only difficulty he bad in Slave Trade. With respect to the second acceding to the noble lord's motion was, of these resolutions, he thought the house that this article could not be produced, as ought ty be infornied of what had been it was well known that a treaty signed by dove in pursuance of it, or whether any plenipotentiaries could not regularly be laid thing had been done. This information before parliament until ratified by the rehe conceived not only those noble lords, spective governments. The motion was who were hostile to the abolition, but also then agreed to. those who were friendly to that measure, would wish to haye. There were five
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Monday, Jannary 12. the Slave Trade, namely, Portugal and the [CHARGES AGAINST MR. CAWTHORNE.) United States of America, Frauce, Spain, General Porter rose to postpone until and Holland; Denmark and Sweden had Weduesday se’nnight the motion of which also some interest in the trade, but it was, he had given notice for Wednesday next, of a subordinate nature. With respect to on the subject of colonel Cawthorne's Spain and Holland, he could readily con- Court Martial. This postponement the ceive that there had been no means of hon, officer stated to be necessary, as many waking any communication on the subject members could yot, in consequence of the to these powers. As to France, he did not quarter sessions, conveniently attend the know whether, during the late negociation, discussion of this question sooner. with the government of that country, there Mr. Cawthorne expressed his wish that was any communication upon this subject the hon. general would make up bis mind made, and this was a point upon which he and determine finally on the time when he thougbt the house ought to be informed. was to bring forward his motion. The So also with respect to the United States of house would be aware how disagreeable America, and Portugal, communications must be the state of suspence in which lie
was placed by having the motion put off Lord Folkestone replied, that his motion from time to time. Nearly ten days had would refer to the re-printing of the sevealready elapsed since the hon. general bad ral papers connected with the Oude charge; given bis potice, and it was not without sur- oamely, numbers 3, 4, and 5. With rea prise, therefore, that he found him now spect to any subsequent proceeding, be beproposing further delay.
lieved that none was likely to be taken for General Porter said, that his only object some time. The house was aware that the in proposing the delay was, in order to in-hon. gent. (Mr. Paull) with whom this busure å full attendance, which be deemed siness originated was now a petitioner, and highly desirable upon this occasion, and until that petition was decided, it was not which could not be looked for if the dis intended to ground any measure upon the cussions were to occur while the quarter- papers to which this notice related. But sessions were pending.
yet, to prevent any delay hereafter, it was Mr. Cawthorne declared that be was as thought expedient that those documents anxious as any man, that the discussion of should be fully before the house, in ordet the case alluded to should have as full an that, if the hon. gent. already alluded to attendance as possible ; for without any should be in a situation to prosecute this reference to himself, he thought it involved important enquiry, he might be enabled to a question of very great moment. Putting proceed at once, unimpeded by the proentirely out of view the consideration of crastination wbich the printing of papers holding any member of that house, or any upon this subject had so often produced in persons whatever whose character was im- the course of the last parliament; and in plicated, one moment more than was in order also that if Mr. Paull should not be dispensably necessary in a state of suspence, in a situation to follow up this business, he he submitted to the candour and judge himself (lord Folkestone), or some more ment of the house, whether there was not conipetent person, might be furnished with something in the course of this proceeding the means of proceeding upon it. The which justified complaint. The hon. gent. noble lord concluded with expressing á gave notice of this proceeding, in the first belief that he had fully replied to the ens instance, in a way certainly very unusual, quiry of the noble secretary of state, and at a time w ben the members were very expressed a readiness to afford any further little likely to have any knowledge of it, information in his power upon the subject. tamely, after the debate bad closed on Lord Howick apprehended that the rea. Tuesday morning, and after alnıost all the sons stated by the noble lord could not be members had retired. Not a word of it considered a sufficient parliamentary ground appeared in the morning papers, in which for the proposition he professed to have in accounts of the proceedings of that house view. It did indeed appear to bim quite generally appeared: and if it were not for without precedent to make a motion for some gentlemen who happened to perceive the production and printing of certain the insertion of this notice in the book papers upon which the mover did not state upon the table, the thing would have been that any direct proceeding was to be instivery little known indeed.
tuted, but merely upon the chance that General Porter repeated the grounds another gentleman not a member of that which induced him to postpone his motion; house, might ground some proceeding upon adding, that he would certainly bring for them. This, however, he felt was not the ward the motion upon Wednesday se'n proper time to argue the question ; but he night.
could not help observing, that the course CONDUCT OF LORD WELLESLEY.) Lord proposed must be attended with extreme Folkestone gave notice of his intention to hardship to the party concerned in the move, on that day fortnight, for the re-print-case to wbich the notice referred. For ing of certain papers which had been print- that house was to be called on to promote ed last session, relative to the Oude charge the circulation of the most severe attacks exhibited against marquis Wellesley. upon the character of the noble person ala
Lord Howick expressed a wish to know luded to. The effects of such publications from the noble lord, with what view he pro- were easily to be estimated, and he would posed to bring forward the motion of which submit whether they could be in fairness he bad given notice, and what was the na- acceded to, without any precise statement ture of the ineasure he meant to found that a parliamentary measure would be upon the papers to which bis notice referred?| founded upon them, or without any defi. VOL, VIII.