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M. d'Oubril to sign such a treaty as they | ous prosecution of the war, was a thing so wished, by persuading bim that the British obviously just and necessary, and the good government was on the point of concluding intentions of government were in this nea separate peace. He considered, as a gociation so manifest, and the good faith subject of deep regret, that a man of Mr. observed to our allies so entirely honourFox's great talents and incorruptible mind, able, that he felt no difficulty whatever ia had been betrayed into a private and cou- assenting to the address most cordially. fidential correspondence with such a man Lord Howick made a very animated reply, as his attached friend M. Talleyrand. He and we are sorry that the hour at wbich be blamed ministers for not having sooner put rose precludes us from following him in de an end to the negociation, and declared his tail. He noticed with much animation firm conviction that no peace could take whad had fallen from the last speaker on place with France, at least such a peace as the subject of Mr. Fox's correspondence. would be worthy of the acceptance of this Language bad been used, he observed, country, as long as the force and councils which would have been unbecoming in one of that country were directed by two such member towards another sitting on the men as Buonaparte and Talleyrand. He bench opposite to bim, and yet all the then adverted to the situation of this coun- scoffs, taunts, and insiuuations which had try in relation to America. He said he beeu employed were directed against one understood that a Treaty of Amity had who was now no more, and whose answer been concluded between us within these the learned gent, knew he had no reason to few days. He disapproved of the manner dread. He had commented with much in which our affairs had been conducted asperity on an attachment which he supwith the Uvited States, for they had terrified i posed had been formed between Mr. Fox us into a compliance with their object; and M. Talleyrand. Where did he learn and if there had been a spark of spirit in that any such attachment ever existed ? bis majesty's councils, that disposition le could assure the bon. and learned gent. would have been resisted. They had passed that no intimate friendship subsisted bea law by which our goods were prohibited tween M. Talley rand and Mr. Fox. All to be imported into their territories, and the relation in which they stood with rethis law he understood to have been actu- spect to each other was that of common ally enforced. The government of this acquaintance, and they had no intimacy country ought not to bave acted in compli- but that which had arisen in social inter. ance with this dictatorial proceeding; we course. An extract only of one letter, should have said that we disdained to treat which passed between them, had been with the United States of America, with a given, because the remainder was of a pripistol at our breast ; and that until they vate nature. But was the learned gent. repealed that act by which the importation warranted on that account in supposing the of our goods was prohibited, we would not remainder of the letter contained some treat with them at all. He observed also, thing improper ? He could assure him that that as France had adopted a course by there was no part of the correspondence of which neutrals were prevented from tra- which his majesty's ministers were ignorant. ding with us, we could easily retaliate, by Nay, he could further assure him, that taking care that no neutrals, should trade every line written by Mr. Fox to M. Tal-with them until the goods should first have leyrand was seen by the king. The noble paid a duty in our ports; and this was not lord then replied to some of the arguments difficult for us under the present condition used by Mr. Canning and Mr. Whitbread. of things, for we were now literally mas- The hon. gent. he observed, blamed bis ters of the whole trade of the world, as majesty's ministers for having done too far as related to carrying any thing by sea. much in the way of negociation, while bis These were matters which required serious hon. friend and relation blamed them for consideration under the present condition doing too little ; but he thought it was not of things, for if we were so disposed, we a little in their favour, that they had steer

could levy a very heavy tax on our ene- ed a middle course between the two exmies, which they would be compelled to tremes. The pamphlet which had been pay, or perish almost for want of many alluded to, shewed from the total ignosartieles of commerce. Having made these rance with which it was writien, that it

observations, he must confess that the sup- could come from no official authority, as sport of the government in the most vigor- insinuated. As to the prosecution hinted

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at, he could only say, that those within other election petitions from these respec-
whose departinent such proceedings came, tive places.
would, if they thought fit, prosecute it. [THETFORD ELECTION.] The order of
With regard to his hon. friend's question, the day for resuming the adjourned debate
are we to be shut out from all prospect on the question of granting a further day
of peace ? he could only answer by saying, for the hearing of the Thetford Election
that, unless a change took place in the Petition, being read,
temper and character of the French go- Mr. Whitbread rose and said, that he
vernment, peace must, in bis view of the was the more confident in soliciting, on be-
subject, be considered as very distant. half of the petitioner, a more distant day
The chief of that government, it appeared, than had been already fixed upon, when he
bad lately stated that he would not con- considered that it was an indulgence gene-
duct the present war as he had done those rally granted by that house, and which the
in which he was before engaged. He had sitting member was seldom unwilling to
declared that be would not leave the shores accede to. From what had fallen from an
of the Baltic, nor evacuate any of the hon. nember (Mr. Mingay) in the begin-
countries of wbieh he might take posses- ning of this discussion, he believed that
sion, unless this country gave up her mari- that gentleman was under a mistake in
time conquests. This was what England supposing that there was but one unquali-
never could submit to. She must resist a fied voter only objected to among those of
pretension to which it would be dishonbur- the corporation who composed that gen-
able to yield, or the enemy must abandon tleman's majority; but he was instructed to
it. There was here no choice, the honour state that there were three, four, or more
of the country must at all hazards be main- persons admitted to vote for the sitting
tained and vindicated, or we must sink un- member who were not electors, whose
der the attack meditated against us. This pretence to the right of suffrage was foun-
was a melancholy prospect for humanity, ded upon an illegal claim; and though an
but it was one which rose out of the unfor- undisputed possession of franchise for a li.
tunate state of the continent, and it se- mited time made that right of suffrage va-
riously called for the pledge of supporting lid, yet that time not being yet expired,
bis majesty in the vigorous prosecution of the objections had been made within the
the war, which was contained in the ada period prescribed by law, and of course,
dress he had inoved.

no argument in favour of those votes could Mr. Perceval said, that with respect to be drawn from the fact of possession. The the word “ attached,” he had taken it sitting member had said, that the court from the Correspondence: if thé noble of king's bench, if applied to for a quo war. lord would refer to No. I, of the Papers, ranto, would uot hear such application. (see p. 93.) he would there. find that The, bon. gent. said he would contend for Mr. Fox, in addressing M. Talleyraud, it, that that court could not refuse such aphad subscribed himself “ with the most plication, because the time limited by law perfect attachment." - The address was was 6 years. Now, those voters had exerthen put and carried, and the house ad- cised this elective capacity only 5 years, journed at five o'clock on Tuesday morning, and consequently the time for confirming

a doubtful franchise was not yet expired. HOUSE OF COMMONS.

But there was another circumstance : the Tuesday, January 6..

petitioner did not know of the illegality of [MINUTES.] The deputy usher of the two of the voters objected to, till long after black rod required the attendance of the the beginning of the term, and yet it was bouse at the bar of the house of peers, objected to him ly the sitting member, where the royal assent was given by com- that the petitioner did not apply to the mission to the Controverted Elections Tri-court of king's bench against those voters, l.bill.-The speaker informed the house, of the validity of whose franchise the petithat he had received a letter from Mr. tioner had not at that time any doubt. He Bouchier, deputy clerk of the crown in Ire- then moved, that the order of the day for land, stating, that he had received peti- hearing the Thetford Election petition be tions complaining of undue elections in discharged. Dublin, Newry, and Mayo county.-It Mr. Mingay contended that the question was ordered, that these petitions be taken then before the house was not whether, the into consideration the same days as the king's bench would receive or reject any Vol. VIII,

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application that might be inade to it on of November, though he was not at that behalf of the petitioner, but whether that time apprised of the inadequacy to vote of house would, in this so comparatively un- two of the persons objected to. He should important a case, make a precedent that think it a monstrous injustice to refuse the might in all future cases of this kind be application for a longer day. productive of consequences the most se- The Attorney-General conceived that the rious: five years ago, the persons objected house was now about to exercise a judicial to voted for the petitioner ; and was the function, and that it should pause before it house now to be told, that this was the first would rasbly go to establish a precedent. time the petitioner had discovered those al- The hon. gent, who spoke last bad said, leged inadequacies? After a five years' that it was bard to expect that the process dream, he, the petitioner awaked, and disco- of an application for a quo warranto could vered for the first time, that certain persons have been made within the first day of who had voted for him upon a former oc- term ; but the hon. gent. should recolleet, casion, now that they voted against him, that though term did not commence till · were from the beginning incompetent to the 6th, it did not end till the 28th, and vote. There was one fact, that he could that it was rather suspicious that in all not pass by. It had been said, that four that time no step bad been taken by the or more voters were objected to. lle (Mr. petitioner to make such application. As M.) assured the house, that there were not to the argument, that delay was not almore than two objected to at the time of leged to be an inconvenience to the sitting voting, upon the ground of not being fran- member, he did not think it conclusive, chised, as the third was objected to not up- nor should be think it fair to be compelled on this ground, but as having some employ- to prove his title to bis estate, merely bement in the post-office. He said that, an- cause that proof was entirely practicable. xiously as he waited for the decision of that He should therefore vote against the mohouse upon what he would call a vexatious tion. proceeding, he should, however, bow to Mr. C. Wynne thought, that however it .ihat decision with unfeigned humility and might be a question whether such delay respect.

was inconvenient to the sitting member, Mr. Tierney said, that he ought not to he was sure that it was inconvenient to be anxious to speak on a question appa- that house and to the public. rently agitating the feelings of two gentle- The Solicitor-General did not think that men, for each of whom he felt so much the house could reject the motion, consistrespect. He should, however, remove all ently with justice-it had come within bis such personal considerations from his mind, knowledge that of three of the persons and consider merely the simple fact of a objected to, one only was opposed at the petitioner asking for a more distant day time of tendering his vote, and that a month than that already fixed upon for hearing bad elapsed since the election before the his petition; though in the case of peti- petitioner was apprized of the illegality of tions the granting a further day was by no the other two votes. He hoped that this means an unusual indulgence, yet he was, strong circumstance would have its due upon the general principle, an enemy to weight with the house. delay in such cases. But he thought the Mr. Roscoe thought, under such circumpresent case sufficiently exempted from the stances, that the party must apply to the general rule by its peculiar circumstances, court of king's bench, and therefore it inust the petitioner desires a further day as in- be supposed, that the house would give dispensable to the object of his petition them time to do this. The attorneythe sitting member, on the other hand, general had said, that this could not be does not shew that any possible inconve- done in so short a time as that sought for nience can arise to him from this delay. by the petitioner; it therefore necessarily It was objected, too, that the petitioner did followed, that the decision of the question not make an earlier application to the king's must extend beyond the time limited; and bench. The election took place on the as it was very possible, that persons pre4th of November, and the day next but senting such petitions might not quite unone was the first day of term, and yet it derstand the law as well as other gentlewas asked why the petitioner did not pre- men, it appeared to him that time should pare all the necessaries for an application be granted to the petitioner. to a court of law between the 4th and 6th Mr. Bragge Bathurst was of opinion,

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HOUSE OF LORDS.

that if parties were allowed to postpone The Speaker reminded the house of the
questions of this nature, because they had rule being entered into, that no petition
only just discovered an objection to three should be postponed after a certain day,
voters, they might come in a month more, except under the special circumstances of
and apply for further time, upon a disco- the case. It was, therefore, for the house
very of objections to three more electors, to judge whether they would relax that
so that there would be no end to it. They rule upon the present application.
might go in the first instance before the Mr. C. Wynne expressed himself per-
committee; and if an application to the fectly satisfied with the explanation of the
court of king's bench was then found ne-hon. gent. and Mr. Shaw declared bis ap.
cessary, they would be in no worse situa- probation and consent to the application.'
tion than before. He entirely concurred - The petition was accordingly postponed
with the attorney-general, and thought until the 12th of March.
that the bouse would not be justified in
postponing the hearing to a more distant
day than that already fixed upon.

Wednesday, January 7.
Mr. Johnstone thought, that the petitio- [Minutes.] Mr. Hobbouse from the
ner had deprived himself of the benefit of commons brought up the Malt Duty, and
such an application by his own act. In the Pension Duty bills, which were read a
bis anxiety to present his petition, it was first time.-The Duke of Norfolk rose to
lodged three or four days earlier than was advert to a Petition which had been laid
necessary, and consequently, an early day on their lordships' table, from the claimants
was appointed for taking it into considera- to the Barony of Howard de Walden.
tion. Upon these and other grounds al. That petition was upon motion referred to
ready stated, he therefore thought the pe- the Committee of Privilege : but it was his
titioner was not entitled to the indulgence wish that the day for taking it into con-
of the house.—The question being loudly sideration be extended. He therefore now
called for, a sion took place; when there gave notice that he should to-morrow
appeared for the motion, 35; against it, move, that the said petition be referred to
54; majority against the motion, 19. the Committee of Privileges, on the 10th

(DUBLIN Edection Petition.] The of February next.
order of the day for postponing the consi-
deration of the Dublin Election petition,

HOUSE OF LORDS.
being read,

Wednesday, January 7. Mr. C. Wynne was of opinion, that upon [MINUTES.] The Malt and Pension such a subject as this, very sufficient rea- Duty bills were read a third time, and

passsons should be given, before the house ed. --The Speaker informed the House, would consent to any delay, which might that as the Horsham Election petition was tend to interfere with other more impor- to be taken into consideration to-morrow, tant public business.

he would come down to the house at halfMr. Calcraft answered, that since the past three, and proceed to count the house day fixed for the consideration of the pe. at quarter-past four precisely.- Mr. Vantition in question, another petition had sittart brought in a bill for granting to his been presented against Mr. Grattan, of majesty 10,500,0001. to be raised by Loans which he had not the least notice. In a or Exchequer bills, which was read a first city like Dublin, where there were up- time.-Mr. Hobhouse brought up the Anwards of 5000 voters, it was necessary to nual Qualification Indemnity bill, which scrutinize a great many, and therefore it was read a first time. Lord Ossulston was iinportant that sufficient time should reported to the house, that his majesty bad be granted for this purpose. He further been waited upon with the Address voted observed, that having received the peti- unanimously the 5th instant, and that his tion in question, be inadvertently presen- majesty was graciously pleased to return ted it before he had received any parti- the following answer :- Gentlemen, “ I cular instructions upon it. He had since" thank the House of Commons for their received a letter from Mr. La Touche, in " loyal and dutiful Address ; and receive which he explained these circumstances. “ with satisfaction the assurances of their He, therefore, trusted the house would " full conviction, that the restoration of grant a longer time for the consideration of Peace bas been prevented only by the this matter..

« ambition and injustice of the enemy. I

“ rely with entire confidence on the effec- nution would be found to be in the same

Lual support of my faithful people in the proportion, and to be ascribed to the same

prosecution of a contest, manifestly con- cause; and in general he could say, and it “ tinued, on the part of the enemy, with was great satisfaction to him that he felt “the bope of destroying the power and warranted in saying, that whoever should " independence of the British empire." have the honour of discharging, next year,

[ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.] The house the duty be was now called upon to perhaving resolved itself into a committee of form, would yet have a niore pleasing task, supply, Mr. Calcraft moved, that the Es- as the reduction would, by that time, be timate of the charge of the office of ord- still greater, as the lines of Chatham, and pance for Great Britain and Ireland, for the the great works now carrying on at Dover year 1807, be referred to the said committee. and the Coast, would, by that time, be

Mr. Calcraft then rose. He said, that, on completed. He had but one observation moving the Ordnance Estimates, he felt more to make, that since the estimates had much satisfaction, that it would not be ne- been laid upon the table, an advance upon cessary for him to detain the committee by the vote of credit bad been made to the observations of any length; that if, how- amount of 400,000l. ; he would therefore, ever, there were any topics that required from the sum originally required, make å surther explanation, or any questions that deduction to that amount. He did not gentlemen might deem it necessary to pro- think it necessary to detain the committee puse to him, he should willingly answer further than by stating, that he was very such questions, and, if he could, adequate- willing to give every information in his ly. He had an additional satisfaction in power to any gentleman, and should listen being enabled to inform the committee that with respect to any suggestion the hon, there was a considerable reduction in the gentlemen opposite should think it neces. Estimates he had now to submit to them, sary to offer.—The bon. gent. coucluded compared with those of last year: he did with moving, “ 1. That a sum, notexceeding not inean, in stating this, to claim any ex- 2,278,1971. 08. 10d. be granted to his matraordinary acknowledgement of merit as jesty, for the charge of the Office of Orddue to the present Board of Ordnance ; he nance for Land Service for Great Britain, rather thought that the present reduction for the year 1807.-2. That 479,2461. 198. might more justly be imputed to the adeo 7d. be granted to bis majesty, for the quale supplies of former years, which, in charge of the Office of Ordnance in Irefacilitating the progress of the public works, land, for the year 1807.-3. That 301,4067. had lessened ibe grants of money neces- 9s. 8d. be granted to his majesty, for desary to support them. If the Board of fraying the expence of services performed Ordnance had any claim to merit, it was by the Office of Ordnance for Land Serfor the uniform zeal with wbich the Board vice for Great Britain, and not provided resisted all the projects of expenditure for by parliament in the year 1805.-4. That that had been submitted to them, and con- 262,365). 148. 2d. be granted to his masulted upon all occasions the most practi- jesty, for defraying the expence of services cal economy. The principal reductions performed by the Office of Ordnance for were owing to the completion of those Land Service for Great Britain, and not great works in Kent, and upon the coast provided for by parliament in the year of Sussex, which, while erecting, were pro-1806.” The report was ordered to be rem ductive of an expence of no inconsider-ceived to-morrow. able magnitude. The sum now required would be found to be 600,0001, less than

HOUSE OF COMMONS. that voted last year, and this too, notwith

Thursday, January 8. standing the increase of 1,400 men in one {MINUTES.) At four o'clock the Speaker battalion of foot artillery; the increased couuted the house, when above 100 memexpence of the establishments of engineers, bers being present, the house proceeded to and the augmentation of pay to the artille- ballot for a committee to decide on the ry, granted by. bis majesty. This three-double return from Horsham. Forty fold addition to our expenditures would's members baving been balloted, a minor amount to 150,0001. so that had there not committee was appointed, and retired been a reduction of 600,0001, the increase into one of the committee chambers for now required would be 750,0001. As to the the purpose of reducing the committee Ordnance Estimates for Ireland, the diini-fof forty to fifteen. Some time after, Mr.

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