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was described as the president. If he was the president, it was for the House to determine, whether that place was a place of profit and emolument.

Mr. Bathurst replied, that the salary belonging to that office was in the appointment of the Crown. Now, the Crown had not, as yet, appointed him any salary, as he was already in possession of another office under it.

Mr. Tierney had to congratulate the House at last on a piece of economy on the part of ministers. One of them held the chancellorship of the duchy of Lancaster and the presidency of the Board of Control-and yet only received the emoluments of one office!

Lord Milton had always understood, that the late sir James Pulteney, whilst secretary at war, had received no salary; but he had never understood, that on accepting that office, he had been excused from vacating his seat in consequence of it. The acceptance of the office vacated the seat quite as much as the acceptance of the salary.

Mr. Creevey remarked, that it mattered not whether a member accepting office declined receiving any salary, or thought proper to give it away. The question was, was it an office of profit under government? If so, the member of course vacated his seat. He was of opinion, that the right hon. member had vacated his seat, by accepting the office of president of the Board of Control.

Mr. Bathurst referred to the act in question, which, he contended, did not include members holding offices without salary. He then proceeded to argue upon the question before the House. His noble friend had no objection to the principle of the motion, but he conceived some delay necessary, in order to procure the documents called for. They were not to be picked up in the streets, nor in the shop of a bookseller, but must be had from the most authentic sources.

Sir James Mackintosh remarked, that if ministers had not seen the documents now moved for-if they had not entered into that investigation of them into which they ought to have entered, then in reality they could not know whether the examination of them might not be decisive of the illegality of the measure in question. If they had examined them, as they said they had, what need was there of a moment's previous notice? If they were not now possessed of them, it was VOL. IV.

clear that they were still ignorant upon what grounds the measure rested which they had adopted so inconsiderately eleven months ago.

The Solicitor-General said, that his learned friend laboured under a very erroneous impression. He had stated that, because these documents were not in the possession of ministers, ministers had no justifiable grounds for erasing her majesty's name from the Liturgy; but he had been completely misinformed: for he ought to have known that there could be no alteration in the Liturgy without an order of council. He could assure the House that ministers had consulted the documents then moved for,

Mr. Scarlett said, that the information given to the House by the solicitor-general, differed so much from that given to it by the noble lord opposite, that the House would find some difficulty in reconciling it. The noble lord said that the Queen's name had been erased from the liturgy after a full examination of all the necessary documents; whilst the solicitor-ge neral, at the same moment that he confessed that they had consulted these documents, disdained to rest upon them, and left the matter to be defended by the order in council. The motion was not pressed by the learned mover, from any intention of anticipating the debate, or from any wish to prolong the discussion. The noble lord had therefore taken a wrong course in meeting it by the previous question. If the principle were acceded to, there might be no objection to some delay in the production of the neces sary papers. His noble friend, too, might then be induced to postpone the motion of which he had given notice, to a more distant day, or he might, after considering the reasons urged in favour of such delay, find them unsatisfactory. He himself entertained not the smallest doubt, that if the motion were now acceded to, there would be no difficulty in obtaining all the documents in the course of a single morning.

Mr. Serjeant Onslow was desirous of stating the considerations which would induce him to vote for the motion of his learned friend. Undoubtedly it was the usual practice of the House to postpone, on the first day of the session, the discussion of every question until after the Speech from the throne had been taken into consideration. This rule, however, was not uniformly observed, nor could it

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be regarded as imperative.
known more than one instance in which
it had been departed from.
never known a subject upon which public
attention was so steadfastly fixed, and as
to which a speedy decision was more
desirable. They could not, in the pre-
sent circumstances, pursue a too guarded
course, or defend themselves too effectu-
tually against the suspicion of being indif-
ferent to this question. The motion for
the previous question was a manner of
treating it which he was afraid might
construed into evidence of a disposition to
refuse the necessary information; but he
must protest most solemnly, that, in giv-
ing his support to the motion of his
learned friend, he meant to pledge him-
self no further. Whenever the question
to which it was introductory should be
agitated, he should regard it as a legal
and not a political question. He should
view it with the eye of a lawyer, and de-
termine his vote by the best lights which
he could derive from constitutional prin-
ciples and historical research. It did not
appear to him to furnish topics for the
display of party spirit, but to require a
decision conformably to the rules and
analogies of law.

Astell, Wm.
Belgrave, visc.
Beaumont, T. W.
Barham, Jos. F.
Baring, Henry
Baring, Alex.
Barrett, J. M.
Bennet, hon. H. G.
Bernal, Ralph
Birch, Joseph
Brougham, Henry
Browne, Dom.
Bright, Henry
Burdett, sir F.
Bury, visc.
Buxton, T. F.
Butterworth, Jos.
Baillie, John
Bennett, John
Blake, sir F.
Boughton, W. E. B.
Boughey, sir J. F.
Bentinck, lord W.
Balfour, J.
Calcraft, J. H.
Calcraft, John
Calvert, Charles
Calvert, Nic.
Campbell, hon. J.
Carew, R. S.
Carter, John
Cavendish, Henry
Clifford, capt.
Clifton, visc.
Cripps, Joseph
Coke, T. W. jun.
Coffin, sir I.
Colburne, N. R.
Concannon, Lucius
Coussmaker, G.
Curwen, J. C.
Creevey, Thos.
Chaloner, Rob.
Dundas, C.
Davies, T. H.
Dickinson, W.
Duncannon, visc.
Dundas, hon. T.
Denman, Thos.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer fully concurred in the observation of the learned serjeant-an observation on which every member, he trusted, would feel it his duty to act, namely, that the question to which the present motion referred, should be discussed as one of constitutional law, without reference to party or partiality. But, though he agreed most fully with him in that feeling, he still must consider the present a most improper time for such a motion. An allusion had been made by the learned serjeant to cases in which discussions on questions, independent of privilege, preceded the consi-Denison, Wm. deration of a speech from the throne. It was true that such cases did occur; but every member would recollect with what disapprobation these very extraordinary motions had been received by the House. The previous question being put, "That the question be now put," the House divided: Ayes, 169; Noes, 260: Majority against Mr. Wetherell's motion, 91. Mr. Wetherell then gave notice of his intention to renew his motion to

morrow.

List of the Minority. Abercromby, hon, J. Allen, J. H.

Ebrington, visc.
Ellice, Edw.
Ellis, hon. G. A.
Farquharson, A.
Ferguson, sir R. C.
Fitzgerald, rt. hon. M.
Fitzroy, lord J.
Fitzroy, lord C.
Folkestone, visc.
Farrand, Rob.
Gaskell, Ben.
Gurney, Hudson
Gordon, Robt.
Graham, J. R. G.
Graham, Sandford
Grenfell, Pascoe

Griffiths, J. W.

Haldimand, W.
Hamilton, lord A.
Hamilton, sir H. D.
Harbord, hon. E.
Heathcote, sir G.

Heathcote, J. G.
Heron, sir Rob.
Hill, lord A.
Hobhouse, J. C.
Hornby, Edmund
Honywood, W. P.
Hume, Joseph
Hurst, Robt.
Jervoise, G. P.
King, sir J. D.
Kennedy, J. F.
Lambton, John G.

Langstone, J. H.
Lennard, T. B.
Lemon, sir W.
Lloyd, S. M.
Lushington, Steph.

Mackintosh, sir J.

Macdonald, J.

Martin, John

Milton, visct.

Monk, J. B.

Moore, Peter

Moore, Abraham

Marjoribanks, S.

Marryat, J.
Maberley, John

Maberley, W. L.
Mahon, hon. S.
Newman, R. W.

Newport, rt. hon. sir J.

Nugent, lord
Onslow, Arthur
O'Grady, Standish

O'Callaghan, J.
Ord, Wm.
Ossulston, lord
Palmer, colonel
Palmer, C. F.
Parnell, sir Henry
Pierce, Henry

Phillips, G. R.

Phillips, George

Plumer, Wm.

Ponsonby, hon, F. C.

Power, Richd.

Price, Robert

Pryse, Pryse

Prittie, hon. F. A.
Pym, Francis

Rice, T. S.

Ramsay, sir A.
Rickford, Wm.

Ricardo, David

Ridley, sir M. W.
Robarts, Ab.

Robinson, sir Geo.
Rowley, sir W.
Rumbold, Charles
Russell, lord Jolin
Russell, lord Wm.
Russell, R. G.

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ADDRESS ON THE KING'S SPEECH AT THE OPENING OF THE SESSION.] The Speaker acquainted the House that that House had been in the House of Peers, where his Majesty had delivered a most gracious Speech to both Houses of Parliament, and of which, to prevent mistakes, he had obtained a copy. [See p. 1.] After the Speaker had read the Speech,

Mr. George Bankes rose, and spoke to the following effect:-Mr. Speaker; In proposing an Address to his Majesty, of acknowledgment for the gracious Speech which we heard some hours ago, and which you have at last had an opportunity of reading to us, I shall not trouble you with any expressions of conscious insufficiency, because I am aware they are a very poor excuse for the presumption of a voluntary undertaking, and because I do not apprehend any thing very difficult in returning a suitable acknowledgment for gracious intimations and assurances, every way calculated to inspire a dutiful and affectionate feeling. As one of his majesty's many, many loyal subjects, I propose, Sir, that we approach his Throne, to assure him of the fidelity of a nation which is sound at heart-a nation not so intoxicated by the splendor of unparalleled triumphs, nor so lulled to apathy by the security of a profound peace, as to visit with ingratitude the promoter of those triumphs and the procurer of this honourable repose. In a nation in which all are free, folly must have her freedom, and mischief will mark her for its tool; folly will discharge her debts of gratitude by denying their amount-by forgetting the danger from which she has been delivered, though ever when in peril herself the loudest to complain and the foremost to despair. The spirit of mischief can

have no account of gratitude to settle with the peace maker; it is a spirit obnoxious to repose; in war and tumult it can be content to hope all evil to the good order which it hates; but in peace, it must counsel and contrive it; it is then that it is seen walking restless through the dry places of the land, instigating the owner of each poor and barren plot, not to cultivate and improve, but to curse the little portion he is heir to. It was this same spirit that could heretofore with mischievous exaggeration deck out the avowed implacable enemy of its country with irresistible might, with infallible sagacity, and inexhaustible resource, and with prophetic fervor could foretel the stability of all that he should set up, and the ruin of all he should denounce; the same spirit that could boldly excuse and justify all his crimes, or more boldly could deny them. When baffled in its every hope, belied by every prophecy, this bankrupt firm of impudent invention has still new fictions ready for new credulity, new idols for folly's worship, and honourable attributes for every new disturber of the public quiet. If it be true that each several nation has a peculiar national character belonging to its inhabitants, the king who finds himself at the head of a frank, a gallant, and a generous people can wish to exchange the subjects of his government for no others on the face of the earth; in their valour he is renowned abroad-in their honourable allegiance he is secure at home; but there are circumstances that will invariably work a change in every national character, and perhaps the strongest changes are the most generous and the best. Such is the circumstance of great national success in war-this will infuse a chivalrous ardour-a zeal for enterprise-a restless desire of still finding something to oppose, and something to defend-a chivalry that will delight in the mimic circumstance of war, the polished armour and the nodding plume-a chivalry that will combat imaginary oppressors, that will liberate convicted culprits, and commission them to carry their chains and their innocence to the inspiring genius of its romantic history. Such drawback to national successes in the wild enthusiasm they inspire, it may be well for a prince, on his own personal account, to estimate before he voluntarily engages in a war; in defensive warfare, however, he can have no option, and where upon first assuming the reins

of government, he finds the kingdoms of his rule already engaged up to the very crisis of a contest, no alternative remaining but between perseverance in much peril, or submission in lowest degradation, he has then only to elect whether he will choose to reign over a broken-hearted humbled people, who will never infringe his prerogatives, nor question his rights, nor obstruct his functions, nor presume to insult his person, or whether, dismissing all selfish consideration, at the risk of the throne he sits on, unappalled by the fate of his neighbour kings, then captives or in exile, unintimidated by those at home whose patriotic prudence would suggest more cautious counsels-whether he will, disdaining all compromise of national dignity, rouse the ardour of his empire, and dare to rely upon it. If he shall have pursued this course, and if in doing so he shall have saved for his kingdoms every thing, and their honour, it is no small drawback that shall cancel the gratification of his bosom; and could he, at a moment when popular ardour is misled, regret the deliverance he has worked and the laurels he has planted, he might perhaps deserve that those whose deliverance he has worked should withhold from him their gratitude and affection. The partial abuses of benefits conferred will not check the further efforts of beneficent minds; if they did so, all national improvement must stand still, the illiterate must remain without instruction, because those who had hitherto abused their ignorance are now poisoning the new springs of their knowledge. Unhappily, this wickedness has not spared us, it is, Sir, the " unkindest cut of all;" that benevolent, christian, good-will towards man, which had spared neither toil nor cost, by education, to enlighten, and, by enlightening to improve, is doomed to suffer, like the wounded bird of the Poet, who

"Saw his own feather on the fatal dart, And winged the shaft which quivered in

his heart;

Keen was the pang, but keener still to feel, He nursed the pinion which impell'd the steel."

As one who can share a pride in the intellectual improvement of his fellow subjects; who can admire the zeal which excites, and the liberality which promotes it; who can appreciate the laborious research which renovates pious endowments, long since sleeping with their founders;

as one who can pay the humble tribute of his praise for all that has been done and is doing in this cause, I cannot but deeply share their mortification who deplore the base perversion of such noble purposes. It is no new thing, indeed, for slander to arraign all that is high and holy; but the tongue of slander, however venomous, can inflict no wound, can effect no puncture, in the character that is sound and whole; it is the pen of the libeller, against which innocence is no shield; and at a time when the evil eye of discontent not only envies its neighbour's goods, but covets its neighbour's character, we have, Sir, to dread and to repel one general levelling system, both of property and of good name.

The barrier of the constitution will not fall down at the first giddy shout of the multitude; the high tribunals which are its bulwarks will yet stand, though treason deny their authority, and conscious guilt their justice; blasphemy may rail at the holy place, and hypocrisy defile it with her pageants, long, long before the dome will totter; but the ruin must come at last, if the remedy be not fitly interposed. When the league of what is base and false, profligate and malicious, shall unite honour and integrity to oppose it, the evil then works its own cure, and the remedy is near at hand; we know its efficacy, we have proved it scarce a twelvemonth since. In the shows and processions of the year which has just expired, who but must have called to mind the like exhibitions of the twelvemonth which preceded it? The music, the march, and the banner, the meeting, the resolution, and address; those first were the very prototypes of these last arrays; the same in their real origin, and in their real object, differing only in their method of pursuing it; the first pursued its object by denouncing the aristocracy, the second by denouncing the Crown; the aristocracy was then true to itself; the representatives of the people were then faithful; and if the highest duties of fidelity be now as well fulfilled, the country is yet safe.-If we turn our eyes from the cares of domestic solicitude and look abroad, the whole world is to us a scene of calm, of tranquillity; our flag flies on every sea, our busy industry plies in every port; our merchants are the rulers of kingdoms, our character every where high, and our credit every where firm. If this honour, if this power, if this peace, have been worth winning, we might, Sir, think them

we have new functions to attend to, and a new degree of vigilance to exercise. The greatness we have so hardly earned we never shall willingly descend from; we shall bequeath it to posterity as we won it; it is a greatness which is no empty name. This greatness is the vigour of our commerce, and the credit of our mercantile good faith. We have no covetous craving to satisfy, either of riches or of territory-the treasury of Europe was at our feet when our bayonets mounted guard at Paris: we parted the spoil amongst the rightful claimants, keeping for ourselves nothing but the satisfaction of having done so. From a nation which has so acted, no well-constituted government will fear aggression, nor will provoke it; and we have the satisfaction of knowing, that his majesty receives from foreign powers the assurance of a continuance of their friendly dispositions.Whilst we lament that unfortunate circumstances affecting the commercial credit of Ireland have impeded the receipts of the public revenue in that part of the United Kingdom, we turn with pe

worth enjoying; but there is a consistency in the perverseness of those who refuse to enjoy the fruits of measures which they have so loudly and indiscriminately condemned. If the ill-humour which has for twenty long years and more, so actively despaired of the public weal, would at last confine the limit of its despondency to its own particular views and its own private ends, content might then rest at home, and in its easy seat enjoy the fire-side it has defended; but when the shout of clamour is heard from without, that well-known cry which so loudly informed our enemies of the exhaustion of our resources and the futility of our resistance; that same cry which so urgently demanded a reform, since confessed by its chiefest advocates to be impracticable or inexpedient; that same cry which so formidably opposed any protection to our agricultural interest, under which protection alone, daily labour is now eating its daily bread, as often as this cry of ill-omen is raised and is reiterated, activity must become a duty, and the supineness of loyalty is a cowardice at least. It is said that there are some, and there are some who have said it them-culiar pleasure to the consolatory balance selves, that on looking back to the popular of new encouragement to our manufacdemands which they have sanctioned with tures, by the recent improvement of our their names, and supported with their trade; and it is with satisfaction we hear abilities, they are now convinced, that that his majesty has been enabled to make youthful ardour had led them to overstep some further reduction in his military esthe line of expediency and prudence. It tablishment.-Sir, in adverting to the might be well if those whose second and proposed provision for the Queen, I imabetter thoughts lead them to this con-gine it will be sufficient that on the preclusion, would apply their matured judg-sent occasion we express our humble acment to the consideration of the future as well as of the past, and would view in prospect the expediency of those measures to which they may now be lending the weight of their names and of their stations and their characters. It might be well if they would remember, that the strong assertion is received into ready ears which are shut against the subsequent explanation, and that there are some evils, easily inflicted, for which retraction is no redress. The breach of that cordial confidence which ought to subsist, and which has subsisted, between the several orders of society living under this happy constitution, must be an evil beyond redress; this confidence was our strength in battle, our union in effort, our hope, and our protection. He who dissolves it, breaks our talisman," the only witchcraft we have used" to make of a little island a great nation. Sir, as a great nation taking a chief place amongst the chiefest powers of the earth,

quiescence in his majesty's recommendation; and, without presuming to suggest what line of conduct may best become others, I am satisfied it will best become me to avoid the utterance of a single word which might provoke premature discussion, and unnecessarily disturb the unanimity of our this night's vote. It is in the sincere hope and expectation of an unanimous concurrence that I propose an Address consistent with the sentiments I have declared, and with the feelings I entertain of loyalty to the throne, and of ardent love for our constitution as it stands, and as it has so long stood.-The hon. gentleman then moved,

"That an humble Address be presented to his majesty, to return the thanks of this House for his most gracious Speech from the throne :-To express the satisfaction which we feel in learning that his majesty continues to receive from foreign powers the strongest assurances of their

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