state, that to the best of my recollection h. r. h. never mentioned the name of Mr. Dowler to me upon any occasion whatever, nor do I recollect having heard his name, until I saw that gentleman at the bar of this house. The other point upon which my name was also alluded to, it is hardly necessary, perhaps, I should explain; but I have only to say upon that, that Mrs. C. has stated, that h. r. b. had also said that he had shewn a List of 17 Members of this house who would vote with Mr. Pitt in case this appointment took place, and that I was very much delighted with the list: if I had seen any such list, I dare say I should have been very much delighted with it, as it was represented that a number of gentlemen of that side of the house were likely to have voted upon that question with those with whom I generally act; but I have only to say, that neither upon that occasion, as connected with the appointment of Mr. Dowler, nor any other, did h. r. h. ever shew me any such list. (By Mr. C. Wynn). ject of this inquiry? I will state to the house exactly what he did say: About 4 o'clock this evening I was at the Chancellor of the Exchequer's on business, and on withdrawing, a servant of Mr. Perceval's told me that a gentleman was in such a room, and desired to see me. I was shewn into the room, and I there saw a person whom to my recollection I never saw before. He addressed me as follows: "Never having had the honour, Sir, of being introduced to col. Gordon, I am not certain that I am now speaking to him; are you col. Gordon ? I said, Sir, that is my name. He had said, Sir, I have been desirous of making a confidential communication to the D. of Y. upon the business now before the house, and to that purpose I addressed a letter to col. M'Mahon yesterday. Col. McMahon wrote me an answer (I think he said a civil answer) declining any interference whatever. I have addressed myself this morning to Mr. Adam, and he declined it also. Now, Sir, if you are of the same way of thinking as those gentlemen, it is needless for me to enter upon the business. I said, I am entirely of that way of thinking, Sir. He said, In the year 1805, were any appointments My object is to make a communication to the made to the Commissariat through you, by D. of Y., of a conversation I had with Mrs. C. h. r. h.'s recommendation? I remember parti(I think he said the day before yesterday or yes-cularly the recommendation of the D. of Y. be terday, I will not be quite certain about that) ing made through me to Mr. Pitt, for the apand I think it very desirable that the examina-pointment of Mr. Manby to the Commissariat tion which she is to undergo this evening should be suppressed. I told him that I declined making any communication whatever, and that I was not in the habit of making any confidential communication to the D. of Y., but what arose out of my official situation, and my words were these: I recommend you, Sir, to go to Mr. Lowten, he will advise you, and advise you well. I then withdrew, for the purpose of going out of the room, and it occurred to mel might as well ask him his name, and I addressed him in these words: Pray, Sir, do me the favour to give me your name. He hesitated at that, and told me he had told it to Mr. Adam. I repeated my question, I beg, Sir, to ask your name; he said, Sir, my name then is Williams. I think I am correct in what I say. He walked out of the room, and I thought it necessary to call Mr. Perceval, and told him word for word what I have now had the honour of repeating to the house. early in 1805; h. r. h. mentioned to me, that great disputes prevailed amongst several of the officers of the 10th Light Dragoons, and that the paymaster, Mr. Manby, was very much involved in those disputes, he thought; that all the officers, I think he said, were a good deal to blame, as well as I recollect, and that he was quite sure that the animosity that subsisted would never be done away while Mr. Manby remained paymaster of that regiment; he said, that he did not think that any thing that had come to his knowledge impeached the integrity of Mr. Manby, but that he wished him to be removed to some other situation to which his talents were adapted. About the same period, an hon. member of this house, one of the members for the county of Surrey, who represented himself, I think, as a relation of Mr. Manby's, stated also his anxious wish to me, that some appointment might be found for Mr. Manby, and that he should quit the regiment. I men [The witness was directed to withdraw.]tioned, as I was desired, to Mr. Pitt, both The Right Hon. CHARLES LONG, a Member of the House, attending in his place, made the following Statement : I have been very anxious to say a word to the committee, in consequence of the manner in which my name has been mentioned by Mrs. C., and have only been prevented doing so, in consequence of the interruption that has taken place in her examination. She stated that h. r. b. the D. of Y. had mentioned to her, that he had mentioned Mr. Dowler's name to me for an appointment in the Commissariat, and that in consequence of that I had said it should Le settled immediately. Upon that I have to what had been stated by h. r. h., and what had been stated also by the hon. member to whom I have alluded, Mr. Sumner; and, in consequence of that, he was appointed an assistant commissary. Did you, about that time, receive any other recommendation of the D. of Y.'s for the commissariat department? None whatever, that I recollect. Mrs. MARY ANN CLARKE was called in again, and examined. (By Mr. Lamb). What first gave you the idea that it was pos sible to procure money by disposal of commissions in the army? By persons applying to me; and I found that h. r. h. was very ready to oblige me when I asked him. Do you recollect having desired Mr. Corri to burn any letters or papers that were in his possession? Yes, I do. Was that desire expressed by letter or by word of mouth? By word of mouth. When was that desire expressed? I cannot speak as to the time, but I believe some piece of work had happened publicly; I forget upon what occasion, whether it was about lord Melville's Trial, or what, something or another that way. Do you recollect having made use of these expressions, That there would be a terrible noise about it, and the Duke would be very angry? It is very likely I did; I dare say I did. What did you mean by those expressions, in case you did use them? That he would be very angry with me for being incautious. (By Mr. Lyttleton). You have stated, that you only received 1,000l. a year from the D. of Y.; had you credit with the Duke's tradesmen? No. You have stated, that you received money for procuring a commission for Mr. Dowler and a Letter of Service for col, French; was money paid to you before you made applications to the Duke upon either of those accounts? No. Had you a promise of money? Yes. When you made the application to the Duke, did you state to him that you had a promise of pecuniary reward? I stated the whole case of Mr. Dowler, (By Mr. Sheridan). Do you recollect to have had any negociation respecting other promotions, entirely disconnected with the Military department? If you will point out what those things were, I will answer to it. Had you any negociation or money transactions respecting promotions in the Church? I never received any; but a Dr. O'Meara applied to me; he wanted to be a Bishop; he is very well known in Ireland. Are you confident you never had any application or negociation for any other preferment in the Church, but this of Dr. O'Meara? Yes, lately. I State what those applications were. hardly gave myself time to read them, as I have no interest now. Did you state the name of any other great or illustrious person to those persons so applying, or any agent applying on their behalf? No, certamly not. (By the Chancellor of the Exchequer). Do you recollect the name of any person who applied for those church preferments? Is it wished the gentleman who wrote to me, or the gentleman who wanted the step in the Church. Both. Those are some of the letters that col. Wardle ran off with, that relate to them. State the names of any persons who applied for those Church preferments.-The gentleman is determined to deny it; I have just been speaking to him now upon that subject. What is his name? Donovan, On whose behalf did Mr. Donovan apply to you? I do not know; he talks a great deal about Dr. Glasse, and a great many other Doctors; but it was not for Dr. Glasse that the appointment was wished. For whom was it that the appointment was wished? I cannot recollect the name, but it is in those letters that col. Wardle has, I think. How do you know that Mr. Donovan means to deny this fact, of having made this application to you for church preferment? I do not know that he means to deny about the Church preferment; but he means to deny it altoge ther; and I never did prefer any one to the Church. Did you ever receive a letter from Mr. Donovan, telling you to be very quick in your application to the D. of Y, or perhaps some other illustrious person would interfere with him, and get the preferment; and who was that illustrious person? I believe the person who takes almost all the Patronage of the Church in England, he alluded to, or who is entitled to it, as being the first Female Personage in England; but col. Wardle told me he would never bring that name forward, or that letter. Did you ever receive a letter from Mr. Donovan, telling you to be very quick in your application to the D. of Y., or perhaps some other illustrious person would interfere with him, and get the preferment? Yes, I received such a letter. Did you ever communicate Dr. O'Meara's offer for a bishoprick to the Commander in Chief? Yes, I did, and all his documents. What was the Commander in Chief's answer? That he had preached before his majes ty, and his majesty did not like the O in his name. I never mentioned that till this mo For what rank of promotion were those ap-ment, except to the Doctor himself. plications made? Something about a Deanery or a Bishoprick. Through what channel were the persons applying led to believe you were to promote their wishes? I do not know; I believe still the D. of Y., they thought. Those applicatious were since the connection between yourself and the D. of Y. had ceased? Yes. Did Dr. O'Meara specify any particular sum; and what was that sum? I think that gentleman must be a friend of his, and he must know better than I do, and he may recollect perhaps. Did Dr. O'Meara specify any particular sum? I forget; and I have burnt almost all my papers: I might recollect, but not at this moment. (By Mr. Yorke). Do you recollect at what time Dr. O'Meara made this application? In 1805, the very night that the Duke was going to Weymouth; he called upon me the moment the Duke had left the house, between twelve and one o'clock; I think he watched h. r. h. out, as he had seen that his horses were waiting in Portmansquare, and then he came in just as I was upon the stairs, and said it was a very good opportunity, for he was going to Weymouth immediately, and asked me to come down stairs again, and write him a letter of introduction to h. r. h., and I did so. You have said you had no credit with the Duke's tradesmen; do you mean to say that the Duke did not pay any of your tradesmen's bills? I do not recollect that ever he did, except one to a milliner. (By Sir George Warrander). You have stated, that the D. of Y. had paid several sums of money in addition to the 1,000l. a year, upon various occasions; do you still adhere to that statement? He paid 1,300l. to the silversmith, to balance from what I had paid; I do not recollect any thing at present but that. Did not the D. of Y. pay several other considerable sums, besides the 1,000l. a year, during your residence in Gloucester-place? He paid for one landau, and that is all I can recollect at all. Are you positive that you can recollect no other sums being paid for you by h. r. h.? I cannot recollect one except those. What was the amount of your debts at the separation from h. r. h.? Something under 2,000l. I sent in to him the next day by Mr. Comrie; but I found them to be more, upon examination, Did you understand, when you were asked whether the D. of Y. had paid any other sums besides the 1,000l. a year, that the question applied to sums paid to tradesmen; if so, state now whether you received yourself any sums from the D. of Y. besides the 1,000l. a year.-I do not recollect any. For what period did you reside in Gloucester-place? I should think about 21⁄2 or 3 years. (By Sir James Graham). He been insulted and abused in coming into the house of commons), to move that the Serjeant at Arms be ordered to attend the witnesses to and from the house of commons, to protect them from any insult or injury that might be offered to them in obeying the orders of that house. said, whatever might be the character, the morals, or the line of life pursued by the witness who had been before the house, that there was a certain deference and respect due to the sex which should not be violated on any occasion, least of all on her entrance into that house. Mr. Sheridan said, he felt it his duty to object to the motion of his hon. friend, for two reasons, first that he did not wish it should appear that it was necessary to make any such order; secondly, that on the most accurate inquiry into the business, he understood that no insult what ever had been offered the witness in the course of the evening. Mr. Whitbread said, that if his right hon. friend would say that no insult had been offered the witness, he would not persist in his motion. Mr. Sheridan said he could not be positive, not having been present on the occasion; his knowledge was grounded on the strict inquiries which had been made. JOHN CLEMENTSON, Esq. the Deputy Serjeant at Arms, was examined (By Mr. Whitbread.) State to the committee what you know relative to the coming of Mrs. C. to the house, and her passage from her carriage up to the door. I directed the messengers, when Mrs. C. was ordered to be called in, to go to her; it was sometime before they could find her; I directed them to go to the different coffee-houses, and at last learnt that she was waiting in her carriage close to the house of commons. She sent me a message by a messenger, stating that she had been insulted, and she would not get out of her carriage till I came for her. Imme During the 24 or 3 years you lived at Glon-diately I went down. When I got there, I saw cester-place and Weybridge, was the D. of Y. well acquainted with the extent of your establishment? Certainly, never a day passed without his being there, except the time that he went to the king. On whom was the Court Martial, on which you stated on a former evening that you had been a witness? On captain Thompson. [The Witness was directed to withdraw]. Mr. Whitbread said, he rose in consequence of the assertion of Mrs. C. in the beginning of the evening (that she had seven or eight people or a dozen people, I do not think more; her carriage door was opened, and she was handed out, and not a word passed. I took a constable with me, and brought her up to the house. There was not a word said to her all the way I came with her here. Was not there a considerable crowd in the passages leading to the house? Yes, there were several people, a great many servants, they were standing on one side; there was quite room enough for us to pass. Did any of those persons insult her? Not a word passed, to my knowledge. Who was the messenger whom you sent for her? His name is Skelton. He was sent by you for Mrs. C.? Yes. [The Witness was directed to withdraw. Miss MARY ANN TAYLOR was called in, and examined (By Mr. Wardle.) Were you in the habit of visiting in Gloucester-place, when Mrs. C. was under the protection of the Duke of York? Very frequently. Did you ever hear the D. of Y. speak to Mrs. C. respecting col. French and his levy? Once only. Relate what passed at that time. The Duke's words were, as nearly as I can recollect, I am continually worried by col. French; he 'worries me continually about the levy business, and is always wanting something more in his own favour.' Turning to Mrs. C., I think he said, 'How does he behave to you, 'Darling?' or some such kind words as he used to use; that was all that was said. Do you recollect any thing further passing than what you have stated? Mrs. C. replied, • Middling, not very well. That was all that she said. Was that the whole of the conversation? No. Relate the rest-The Duke said, Master "French must mind what be is about or I shall cut up him and his levy too.' That was the expression he used. (By the Attorney General.) How long have you known Mrs. C.? Ten years. Have you known her no longer than ten years? I do not exactly recollect, it may be something more. Where did you first become acquainted with her? At a house at Bayswater, near the Gravel Pits. Where do you live yourself? At Chelsea. With whom did you live at Bayswater? With my parents. What are your parents? My father was a gentleman. Do you live with your father now? No. Is your mother living? Yes. Do you live with your mother? No. With whom do you live? My sister. Is she a married woman or a single woman? Single. Where do you live? Chelsea. In lodgings, or as housekeepers? Housekeepers. Are you of any profession? If a boardingschool be a profession. In what part of Bayswater did Mrs. C. live when you knew her there? It is called Cravenplace, within two doors of our house, Who lived with her? Her husband, when I first knew her. Have you known any one living with her since? His r. b. the Duke of York. Have you known no man live with her but h..r. h., since her husband lived with her? Not to my knowledge. Have you seen much of her; have you been intimately acquainted with her? Yes.' You are not related to her, are you? My brother is married to her sister. Did you know her when she lived at Tavistock-place? Yes. Did her husband live with her there? I never saw him there, I understood she lived with her mother there. What time passed between her leaving her husband and her living with the Duke of York? I cannot recollect. About how many years? I do not know that. How long ago did you know her at Bayswater? Somewhat about ten years; I cannot say exactly. Had not her husband left her before she left Bayswater? I do not know. Do you mean to say, you do not know whether Mrs. C.'s husband had left her before she left Bayswater? Yes. What was her husband? I always understood he was a man of some fortune. Do you know that he only had an annuity of 50l. a year, which was paid him weekly? I never heard such a thing. Did you ever see him with Mrs. C., during the latter part of her stay at Bayswater? No. During the latter part of the time Mrs. C. staid at Bayswater, you never saw her husband, Mr. C. there? I do not recollect that I did. Where did Mrs. C. go from Bayswater? I do not recollect. Do you remember her in Park-lane? She called upon me one day, and said she was in Park-lane. Were you in her house, at Tavistock-place, often? Yes. Did you live with her there? I never lived with her at all. You never slept in the house? Yes, frequently. Do you know that any one lived with her but her husband at that time? No. You took her to be a modest, decent, woman, whilst she lived in Tavistock-place? She lived with her mother as I thought, and I knew nothing to the contrary. What is your father's name? The same name as mine. could he conceive that any material bene- | fallen, by a combination of some of the fit would result to the present inquiry from the disclosure of this circumstance. The Attorney General in reply observed, that he knew nothing of the witness; but sure he was, that much of the credit of the testimony of this evidence depended upon that degree of respectability which both the witness and her connections in society held. Would the noble lord or any member in the house deny, that the evidence of a prostitute, who might be picked up in a street, was to be equally relied upon with that of a person who supported a decent and respectable character? Nor was it immaterial to the present enquiry to know where the father and mother of the witness resided, as it was highly probable that the knowledge of this circumstance might tend to extract truth from the mine of error, with which it appeared to him to be involved. most abandoned characters, could not be so easily removed, if the witness was permitted to evade answering a question which in his judgment was fair and reasonable. Mr: Simeon did not see any reasonable objection to the answering of the question, and therefore trusted the Committee would not relax. [The Witness was again called in and examined (By the Chancellor of the Exchequer.) Do you mean seriously upon reflection to abide by your answer, that you do not know where your father lives? Yes. How long is it since you have seen him? About a fortnight. Do you know where he was living when you saw him last? At Chelsea. In what street at Chelsea? I beg leave to decline auswering that question. What reason have you for declining answering that question? I do not like to tell so large an assembly where I live. Were you living with your father? Some time ago. A fortnight ago were you living with your father? He did not live with me, he had just come from the country. Was he living at Chelsea? He staid two or three days with me. Where had he been living in the country before he came to you? He had been going about different parts; I do not know where. Is he of any business? No. What objection have you, who keep a board Mr. Brand said, that upon reflection, he trusted the right hon. gent. (Mr. Perceval) would not press the question, as it evident-ing-school, to tell this house whereyou live, parly went to wound the feelings of the witness. The Chancellor of the Exchequer observed, that he could not help suspecting, that something would be disclosed by a direct answer to that question, that would great ly, if not wholly, discredit the testimony of the witness. It must appear a very extraordinary case, that neither of the sisters knew, or rather, would not tell, where the father was; and, therefore, he still adhered to his former opinion, that the question ought to be answered in a direct manner. Mr. Wilberforce saw no good that could result from compelling the witness to answer the question in a direct form, as it was probable the fact could be ascertained by putting the question in another shape. Mr. Yorke thought it utterly impossible to carry on the inquiry, unless such questions were pointedly answered; the truth could never be found out, and the obloquy under which the Duke of York had ticularly? I have answered that just now. Will you repeat it? I did not wish to inform so large an assembly of my residence. What reason have you for wishing to conceal where you live from so large an assembly? They will find I am poor, and doubt my veracity. You may be assured your veracity will not be doubted on account of your poverty; state to the house where you live, and what street in Chelsea you live in.—China Row. What number? No. 8. Do you keep a boarding-school in that place? I and my sister do. Was any body present besides yourself at the conversation which you alledge to have passed between the D. of Y. and Mrs. C., respecting col. French? No. Did you often see the D. of Y. in com pany with Mrs. C.? Yes. How often may you have seen him? I do not recollect; seldom three weeks passed that I did not. How long have you kept a boarding-school? Two years. At the same place? No. Where before? At Kentish Town. |