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saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise, that treadeth out the corn, and the for ye suffer if a man bring you into laborer is worthy of his reward” (1 bondage, if a man devour you, if a Tim. v. 17-18): “Let him that is man take of you, if a man exalt himtaught in the word communicate unto self.” Persons of the stamp may be him that teacheth in all good things” found in most places, and hence Paul, (Gal
. vi. 6.) On these three passages in writing to the Philippians, put alone does J. G. Lee build his con- them upon their guard ; and also at clusions, that the “ Son of God” re- Ephesus, well knowing that “grievous quires pastors to be paid; and there- wolves would enter amongst the fore, for our present purpose, they flocks,” he demands that the overseers only will require our attention. Con- shall labor with their own hands. We cerning this he writes, “God never can call to mind certain positions issues a prohibition against a thing which we should seek to fill, that that does not exist." This is not cor- would give an influence tending
but perhaps J. G. Lee means greatly to serve us in a pecuniary that God never issues a prohibition point of view, but which have no saagainst a thing that could not exist. laries attached or annexed, and which This we cheerfully admit, and there we would at once place oneself in, fore conclude that it was possible for were we urged by the love of filthy persons to seek the pastor's office for lucre ; and we are certain that the the sake of lucre. J. G. Lee's next pastor's influence in the early churches step is to conclude, that if a person could have been used by an idle being sought the office for the sake of gain, very much to his advantage, without there must have been a salary. Now his ever obtaining a single penny in we contend that many offices are the form of recognized payment, and sought from such a motive, where no that especially when we remember salary is given or anticipated. If that the churches were composed of this declaration be true, (1 Pet. v. 2) those who had been accustomed to do will it not serve our Brother Lee ? much for their priests before their Pastors have great influence : this conversion to Christianity. We then Peter knew, and learning from expe- conclude that 1 Pet. v. 2 affords no rience the disposition of certain ground whatever for the conclusion, teachers to become idlers, and live that the payment of pastors is the through this influence by imposing law of the New Testament. upon the kindness of the church, we The second text for examination is conclude he penned the lines now un- | 1 Tim. v. 17, “Let the elders that der consideration. Thus also was it rule well be counted worthy of DOUwith Paul : he refused to receive that BLE HONOR." Double honor, says assistance from the churches (not a Brother Lee, means double payment, double salary) which, as an apostle, and affirms as proof, that did it not was his right, that he might not give do so, it would contradict Gal. vi. 6. to such selfish imposers upon the Suppose we admit for a moment that brethren the slightest shade of an Paul teaches the Galatians that pasexample. Hence he says, “ What I tors must be paid, it would form no do, that I will do, that I might cut off case of contradiction should the aposoccasion from them which desire oc- tle teach Timothy, that pastors who casion.” He then unmasks those men rule well were to have double honor who, by reason of their influence, were in the usual acceptation of the word. sponging upon the church in the All the truth is not taught in one keenest manner, and reproves the passage : faith saves, we read in one Corinthians for their folly in becom- part, while salvation is attributed to ing their dupes : “Ye suffer fools baptism in another, no mention being
made of faith. Thus, then, it is quite three years, I ceased not to warn admissible to conclude, even should it every one, night and day, with tears. be proved that Paul has taught in his And now, brethren, I commend you epistle to the Galatians that elders to God, and to the word of his grace, are to receive a stated salary, that which is able to build you up, and to “ honor” in his letter to Timothy give you an inheritance among all may be taken in its common, primary, them who are sanctified. I have coand proper signification, without veted no man's silver, or gold, or apforming any contradiction. As the parel ; yea, ye yourselves know that whole of the argument from this these hands have ministered unto my hangs upon the word honor, we must necessities, and to them that were aim at developing its true import. with me: I have showed you all J. G. Lee affirms that it must mean things, how that so laboring ye ought
pecuniary recompense,” while we to support the weak, and to rememdeclare that the word cannot mean ber the words of the Lord Jesus, how anything of the sort. We shall not he said, it is more blessed to give array all our reasons for so saying, than to receive” (Acts xx. 28-35.) but at once proceed to select two or That this was a command to labor three, which we feel assured will given to the Ephesian church, is adsuffice.
mitted by Brother Lee in the follow1. Paul taught this very church ing words :--" Paul had nearly four over which he instructs Timothy to years previously, imparted the Spirit ordain elders, and to let them who to the whole church at Ephesus, conrule well be counted worthy of double sequently they who had received it, honour, that they (the elders) were like the apostle, had no occasion for to work with their own hands, and to study or leisure : they could, theregive, not to receive. Yes, this com- fore, pursue their accustomed trades,” mand to give to the elders double ho- &c. This, then, being admitted, Paul nor, is sent to the very church where could not, in another passage, teach J. G. Lee informs us that the pastors directly the opposite—that they were would not require time to study, being not to labor, but to have not only a qualified by miraculous gifts, and maintenance, but a double one. therefore were not to be paid.
3. Our third reason is found in the 2. Our second reason Brother Lee fact, that to make “ honor” mean very nicely expresses—“The apostle “ maintenance” is to prove too much, being infallible, could not contradict and to destroy the possibility of hohimself.” Calling together the Ephe- noring men when God commands it. sian elders—those elders who were to If Brother Lee be right as to this have double honor-he informs them word, the church is called upon to why he labored with his own hands give a maintenance to all pastors who for three years among them : “Take rule well—to all widows who are heed, therefore, unto yourselves, and widows indeed -- to the king, and to to all the flock over which the Holy ALL MEN. We conclude that Peter's Ghost hath made you overseers, to command to "honor all men, love feed the church of God which he hath the brotherhood, fear God, and honor purchased with his own blood. For the king,” is proof that honor does not I know this, that after my departing imply maintenance. shall grievous wolves enter among
4. The word time is used where a you, not sparing the flock ; also, of salary is obviously not intended, but your ownselves shall men arise, speak- is, as in 1 Tim. v. 17, of the same iming perverse things to draw away dis- port as the injunction, “Know them ciples after them : therefore watch, which labor among you, and are over and remember that by the space of you in the Lord, and admonish you,
and esteem them very highly in love nor was perfect. When I became a (or give them double honor) for their man, my parents having more means work's sake” (2 Thes. v. 13.) The than myself, assisted to support me ; case of Epaphroditus (Phil. ii. 29) is yet I honored them by the manifesto the point. Paul commends him to tation of that due love and reverence the church by affirming that he had which age demands from youth-the been his companion in labor, and his parent from the child. Suppose, in fellow soldier, and had ministered to time, a reverse in their circumstances, bis (Paul's) wants, &c. concerning and I take them under my roof and whom he continues to say,
• Receive sustain them. Should I refuse to him with all gladness, and hold such maintain them, having the means, I in reputation.” The word here trans- should assuredly refuse to honor them lated reputation, is the same as that should I not have the means, and rendered honor in 1 Tim. v. 17, which consequently see them die of want, yet Brother Lee cites as meaning a main- having manifested due sympathy and tenance, but which we claim as mean- reverence, I should honor them fully ing esteem or value, which idea is here and perfectly-I should keep the law expressed by the word reputation, in its spirit and letter, “ Honor thy and which might have been given as father and thy mother.” To honor, “hold such in value” -- meaning in then, does not imply to maintainmuch esteem. Only suppose honor maintenance is no part of its mean(time') to mean salary, and we have ing, though at times it may become Paul in a new character, and one the means whereby we manifest that which would well suit a State Church we honor. If, however, we are wrong,
-Paul (like his would-be suc- and time means a pecuniary recomcessor of Exeter) nominating the or- pense, then was A. Campbell wrong thodox Epaphroditus to the vacant in his debate with Rice, and sprinkliving at Philippi, and commanding ling and pouring are Christian bapthat he should have a salary. tism. The way in which J. G. Lee It has been stated that “ honor"
and others have attempted to get the must imply maintenance, seeing that idea of maintenance from timè, is the the apostles command that widows same as that by which Rice attempts shall be honored, and that chil- to prove pouring to be a meaning of dren are to honor their parents, it baptizo; and if the one case can be being obvious that “ honor,” in these sustained, the other must stand. Look cases, must imply a pecuniary provi- fairly at the two arguments. sion. Now we admit that an affluent
Baptizo means to wash. Washing is someson cannot honor an indigent mother
times performed by pouring, therefore without maintaining her ; but the ne- baptizo means to pour. cessity for her maintenance does not TIME means to honor. Some persons may prove that it is one of the meanings be honored by receiving a maintenance, of the word honor, but that it grows
therefore timè means a maintenance. out of their relationship. Forinstance, We therefore trust, that when J. G. what would honor one man would Lee gives a Christian pastor his main. not another. It would be esteemed tenance, he will instruct him to allow an honor by one man were I to invite the subjects for baptism their choice him to my table ; while another, oc- of pouring or dipping. The meaning cupying a higher station, would not of baptizo is to dip, and things are be honored thereby. Again, what washed by the process of dipping, would honor a person at one time, and therefore baptizo bas sometimes would not at another. When a child, been used for washing ; but though I honored my parents by obeying them washing may be performed by pour
-I did not maintain them—my ho-ling, pouring never becomes a mean
ing of BAPTIZO. In like manner, and that each of these will, according “ timè” means to value, esteem, or to this use of this verse which we are honor ; but while we sometimes ho- repudiating, be entitled to a maintenor a man by giving him a title, a nance, it is at once evident that J. G. maintenance, a medal-giving a title, Lee has not a single Scripture to supa maintenance, or a medal, are never port his view. meanings of the word “ time.”
But what does this verse teach? There remains now but one passage I answer this question by saying, not upon which our brother's massive su- anything like that which it is cited perstructure rests; and we are cer- to prove. We should much like to tain that such a building, standing enlarge upon it, and also upon 1 Tim. upon one Scripture only, requires not v. 17, but space will not allow of it. a whirlwind, but simply a gentle However, such of our readers as may breeze, to raze it to the ground. be desirous to see a more extensive
- Let him that is taught in the examination of these passages, may do word communicate to him that teaches so by reading the article published in all good things” (Gal. vi. 6 ) So, by us in the BIBLE ADVOCATE for then, the pillar of the apostacy is November, 1848. based upon this one Scripture, which
DAVID KING, contains neither the word pastor, its equivalents elder and bishop, nor the Note.—The principal reason which induced word maintenance. Let us see where us to express a wish that this controversy such a declaration leads us to, if, as J. should be kept in abeyance, at least for a time, G. Lee asserts, “ to communicate to arose from the circumstance, that the commuhim that teaches in all good tnings,"
nity of disciples of which we form a part, hare is to supply a maintenance. This no person at present sustaining the office of may do if the church is to have but pastor, or waiting for ordination to that office, one teacher, but a plurality of pastors who desires to be supported by the churches. is a divine requirement, and therefore We know of none such. Another order of each church will have to furnish men, there is, in connection with our commuseveral livings. But Brother Lee nity, which deinands the more liberal and effireminds us that evangelists are to
cient support of the brethren at this time than teach, and as churches are to send
the payment of pastors the raising up and them out and acknowledge them as
sustaining of duly qualified men to proclaim teachers, they must provide a mainte- the gospel. The extensive circulation of our nance for them too. * Very good : but periodicals and tracts, and the formation of
new churches on the true foundation of the this is not all. The order of Christ's church is, that all may teach who prophets and apostles, Jesus Christ himself
being the chief corner stone, are of paramount can do so to edification ;
importance, and to the accomplishment of Lord's days back, meeting with a certain church to break the loaf, we had the brethren should be mainly devoted. Many
which the prayers, teachings, and energies of six brethren engaged in teaching, churches have been raised up and supported each one of whom was on that occa
without the payment of pastors, and their numsion as acceptable as the pastor who ber is on the increase; nor can we perceive addressed us : these, then, being
any reason why they should not continue to teachers, will require it, should Mr.
augment, until the truth of God be spread on Lee be able to retain this verse as
every hand. Regarding the state of the primimeaning pecuniary recompense. And tive churches established by the apostles of the when we remember that in some few Lord and their immediate successors, it must years, when the 66
be obvious to every student of the New Testashall have become somewhat estab- ment, as well as to those familiar with ecclesilished, there will be very many teach- astical history, that great benevolence of feeling ers in each church beside the pastors, and almost unbounded liberality were manifest
not to say.
ed by the early disciples. Much of that which ing been thus employed during the week, the the Apostle Peter denominates “ filthy lucre,” first day thereof should be to him a day of rest, was thrown into the treasury of the Lord every and joy, and peace, while the members of the first day of the week. We have this fairly im- church should be engaged in edifying each plied, though not expressed, in the apostle's other in love. Where a church is small, there words. Now this became the means of exci- will not, of course, be required the onerous ting the eye of cupidity, and of calling into services of such a pastor as we have referred activity the ambitious feelings of those who, to. The bishop is to feed the flock of God though professedly moved by the Holy Spirit
, they are the under shepherds of the Great desired to be put in the priestly office for a
Shepherd. We have often thought-how far morsel of bread. Many who had been priests correctly we pretend not to say--that one part among the Jews and Gentiles were obedient to
of the duty of the bishop is to hand to the disthe faith, and possessing great influence with ciples of the Good Shepherd, the emblematical the people
, desired to blend Judaism and Hea- loaf and cup on the day of assembly. Would thenism with Christianity, retaining for them- it not be much more in accordance with the selves a good berth" under the reign of Mes nature of their office, than that of the deacon, siah, the Great King and Lord of the Universe. whose appointment was simplytosuperintend the But it ought to be understood, that every man
proper application of the funds of the church ? in the kingdom of Jesus, whether in office or
These thoughts and opinions, however, are not not, who thinks, writes, speaks, or publishes yet matured for practice; and how far they with such views—for bread, popularity, or filthy may meet with the approval of Brothers King lucre-entertaining these motives as the pro
and Lee, and other of our readers, we pretend peling cause, directly or indirectly, he is un
CONVERSATIONS AT THE CARLTON
HOUSE.--No. XIV. ment seat of Christ. As to there having been men in the first churches who received a regu- The first chapter of Luke, from lar stipend for preaching on the Lord's day- the 26th verse to the end, being read, such idea, as appears to us, is to be found in Olympas thus began :the Book, either in express terms, or by legiti
In our last conversation definitions, mate deduction. We are not prepared to af- rather than deductions, occupied our firm, however, that there were not those in attention.
Some questions of fact large churches whose voluntary labors were not
come before us.
Who was rewarded from the bounty of the congregation.
Gabriel, William ?
William. He is called “an angel
Olympas. How old was he at this deed, every scripturally-constituted church,
time, Eliza ? with her plurality of bishops, exhorters, and
Eliza. I know not how old he was. teachers, could attend to those duties to the mutual benefit and edification of all
, in I only know that having been sent to large churches, whose members dwell at a dis- Daniel once or twice, he must have
been at least some five hundred years tance from each other, it becomes a question who is to visit the sick, console the dying,
old at this time. bury the dead, marry the living, and teach
Olympas. How often is he introfrom house to house the great things of the duced, or how often does his name gospel ? A bishop of this character—(not a occur, Thomas, in sacred history? tobacco-smoking gossip, who does infinitely
Thomas. Only four times twice more harm than good in a congregation) in Daniel and twice in Luke. whose whole time is devoted to the work of the
Reuben. He is called “the man Lord, could not attend to business, and there. Gabriel” in Daniel ; and as men are fore must be supported by the brethren. Hav- I sometimes called angels, why may he